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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Stalker0" data-source="post: 9017712" data-attributes="member: 5889">This debate about Martials has raged as long as there has been Dnd. Its always been split between those who want high level Martials like Captain America, and those that want Martials more like Thor.But everyone....there is no fight here, because WOTC has chosen a side, they are team Cap. So you might get them to budge a bit on the power level of martials, and you can get in a few spellcaster nerfs, but there will not be any 4e like martial manuevers where fighters are suddenly doing the utterly fantastical, its just not going to happen. And any debate trying to get it to that point is just wasted electrons.I think the best we could hope for beyond what they are doing, is maybe get an extra Epic Boon or something....which is a pretty nice something. But in no scenario are you going to see massive sweeping changes, its just not going to happen.</blockquote>