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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Bluenose" data-source="post: 9017757" data-attributes="member: 49017">Not hyperbole, a matter of opinion. What abilities do you see the Fighter getting in the playtest that are actually high-powered? The peak of of weapon mastery is combining two abilities that you can have at 1st level; it's pathetic to pretend that makes it something that needs to be kept till past 10th level. So, something like a spell that combines the effect of two 1st level spells - let's say Ice Storm combining Grease and Burning Hands for difficult terrain and damage - is an example of a spell that Wizards should be waiting till 13th levvel to pick up? Because clearly the actually martial abilities that combine that way are so awesome that they need to wait till higher levels, so the actually magical ones should be treated in a comparable way.Hercules, on one of his adventures, lifted the world. And as PF2 proved, the wizard fanboys will complain endlessly and talk about how the game is ruined if they find anything where they're inferior to the Fighters.</blockquote>