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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Chaosmancer" data-source="post: 9018443" data-attributes="member: 6801228">There is pushback to everything. Do I want the fighter to have spells? No. Do I want them to have abilities that cause saving throws and have DCs? Yes. To some people they will say there is no difference between those two, but just because those people are pushing back doesn't mean I can't make the proposal. You have utterly lost me. First, I asked for what spells just work, and you gave me eyebite... a spell that has a save and doesn't always work. Then you say that all spells that can fail are bad, I give you examples of ones that aren't... and you say they don't punish the user enough and are very powerful.... which again.... like all spells?! Like, what punishment for the user comes from Haste? The caster sufferes nothing. Because it isn't a self-buff spell at all. Using it on yourself is one of the single worst things a caster could do with that spell. And so ultimately... I'm just confused what you want. You seem to just want to get rid of all spells and rewrite the entire spellcasting system. Which, you know, cool, but you keep phrasing it like there are only this small handful of badly designed spells, then talking about universal designs. And how is it absurd? How is it nonsensical? How is it less nonsensical than a creature covered in slippery goo walking through an empty picture frame and teleporting to the ceiling? Living Shadows which can kill you and rip your shadow free to join them in their quest of destruction. Or being able to steal the shadow of a man you killed to take his appearance and memories. All of those things are things IN DND. Right Now. So... why can't DnD support the same types of stories it currently has?So a medical skill equal to Raise Dead breaks suspension of disbelief. But Raise Dead doesn't, because True Resurrection exists? I'll say it again because I'm very confused. You can't have a medical character with surgical skill equal to Raise Dead, because that breaks suspension of disbelief and is too nonsensical. But Raise Dead is fine, because the more powerful True Ressurrection exists to solve the problems Raise Dead can't. That's the position you want to take here?</blockquote>

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