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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Chaosmancer" data-source="post: 9018453" data-attributes="member: 6801228">Um... yes, there IS a push for the DnD Fighter to do more stuff like that. What do you mean there isn't a push? And until I showed you the real numbers, you were all gung-ho that that was a standard for DnD Fighters, but now that you see the real numbers involved you go "oh, well, guess DnD fighter's shouldn't be allowed to do that." Why do the numbers matter more to you than the scene? You were completely fine with that scene as a standard until I showed you that it would mean buffing the fighter to reach it, and now it is some unobtainable goal?!But no one wants the subclass to be the standard. They want the CLASS to be the standard. I don't understand why this is so difficult. Whenever we discuss any caster, any druid, any cleric, any sorcerer, any wizard, any Bard we can talk about the class and their abilities no problem. The second we try and talk about a martial like the Fighter, we immediately have to instead talk about the subclassesYou know who else could pull of that Thor feat? Any Half-orc. Any Cleric. Any Paladin. Any divine Soul Sorcerer. And they can do it NINE LEVELS SOONER.Also the Samurai can only do it if the damage doesn't kill them outright, and it does nothing if the effect would bypass damage and just kill them. This is why when people want to model Thor, they use a Cleric. Because a fighter isn't as good.So if every single mage is Thor level, why can't every single Fighter be Thor level?</blockquote>

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