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<blockquote data-quote="W'rkncacnter" data-source="post: 9020433" data-attributes="member: 7033455">because what you described is not what he described in a matter that is so obvious that the fact that you could think it was the same is simply not reasonable.uh - no, the attack is straight (unless you get advantage from somewhere else) since the only place i can find that you're getting that attack from is tavern brawler, which lets you grapple as a bonus action if you hit with an attack (which also means that grapple attempt is reliant on the first strike hitting, making it significantly less likely you actually get it off to begin with).it is not in any way practical to attempt to knock away and prone an entire horde as a fighter, and it's an especially terrible use of action surge to attempt to do so.you see? this is what i mean by intentionally obtuse. he means <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fohT-SN4Szk&amp;t=504" target="_blank">this trope</a>. are you going to tell me this isn't a single turn? and hell, if anything he underexaggerated what's actually happening in this trope - from a mechanical perspective, this would look more like opposing a horde's worth of grapples in a single turn and knocking that horde prone and away from you on top of that. that's not even close to possible in 5e.oh, okay, i see the problem here - it seems you didn't actually read what he said.read it again and tell me the problem with what you just said, ecmo.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="W'rkncacnter, post: 9020433, member: 7033455"] because what [I]you[/I] described is not what [I]he[/I] described in a matter that is so obvious that the fact that you could think it was the same is simply not reasonable. uh - no, the attack is straight (unless you get advantage from somewhere else) since the only place i can find that you're getting that attack from is tavern brawler, which lets you grapple as a bonus action if you hit with an attack (which also means that grapple attempt is reliant on the first strike hitting, making it significantly less likely you actually get it off to begin with). it is not in any way practical to attempt to knock away and prone an entire horde as a fighter, and it's an especially terrible use of action surge to attempt to do so. you see? this is what i mean by intentionally obtuse. he means [URL='https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fohT-SN4Szk&t=504']this trope[/URL]. are you going to tell me this [I]isn't[/I] a single turn? and hell, if anything he underexaggerated what's actually happening in this trope - from a mechanical perspective, this would look more like opposing a [I]horde's worth of grapples[/I] in a single turn and knocking that horde prone and away from you [I]on top of that.[/I] that's not even [I]close[/I] to possible in 5e. oh, okay, i see the problem here - it seems you didn't actually read what he said. read it again and tell me the problem with what you just said, ecmo. [/QUOTE]

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