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Message: <blockquote data-quote="ECMO3" data-source="post: 9020813" data-attributes="member: 7030563">Semantics.  You asked for Legendary fighters I gave them to you and he was THE CHAMPION of Menxobarrenzen when he did that.And Raistlan is held in the Abyss by his brother CaramonRead the book, it is not a lie. Drizzt goes inside him, kills him from the inside on Ferun and banishes him back to the shadowfell, where Cadderly then goes to build a wall around him.  Gods, Devils etc don't really die when they are killed.  Even when they are killed once and for all they usually still do not stay dead.  Drizzt defeated the Ghost King on FeerunI will also note the vast majority of Elminster and Raistlans efforts are team efforts as wellRaistlan did not turn down Godhood because it would make him weak he turned it down because his brother faced him at the door back to the world, convinced him he would wreak havoc and destroy everything if he came back into it and would have killed him if he tried to come back through.Point being Kelemvor is a fighter and a God.  Also I believe before he became a God Kelemvor took part in actually killing a god who was on Ferun.  It was a long time ago since I read that novel though so i may be remembering that part wrong.As I said in my other post he was 12th level less than halfway through his adventuring career.More over it is about accomplishments.  You gushed about Tasha, can you give me an example of an epic battle for her?  Or while I am at it Raistlan?He defeats Bhaal and he is a fighter.The problem with using levels is all of these people were level 1 at one time, So yes Adrian was at a time level 4, probably about the time he traveled to Cloakwood during the Iron Crisis.  When he went to the Throne of Bhaal he would have been I believe 32nd level.  I base that on the video game where this would have happened at 8 million xp (which would be around 32nd level in 2E).  In the start of the Seige of Saradush the minimum level you can be as a fighter is level 8 I think.So what he has magical powers, so do most 5E fighters either through a subclass, race or feat.  Heck any High Elf has magical powers are we going to start excluding them from fighter comparisons?I listed fighters who all did epic things.Havilar is part of a plot to kill Asmodeus (you know an actual Arch Devil), one which does not suceed in killing him but does wrench Azuth's essence from him, making no longer a God.So give me an example of when Tasha did this.</blockquote>

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