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<blockquote data-quote="Justice and Rule" data-source="post: 9020862" data-attributes="member: 6778210"><p>Yeah, and no one <em>knows or cares</em> who that is. It's a novel series based on a game. No offense, but no one cares if he was a fighter in that because no one thinks of the character from the novel. Again, if you had said <em>Minsc</em>, maybe you could make an argument. But Abdel Adrian is not a character as much as he is a placeholder. How appropriate that he is the DND Class equivalent of a placeholder as well. <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite5" alt=":confused:" title="Confused :confused:" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":confused:" /></p><p></p><p>I think the bigger point is that you are really trying to dance around the issue through semantics: the point is that fighters don't get to be <em>epic </em>in the same way wizards get to be. Your example of Drizz't is not Drizz't using his own power, but channeling that of a greater one. You talk about Caramon, but he doesn't stop Raistlin through power, at least from I can find. Instead, he convinces him to not do what he wants to do through his brotherly ties. You try to say that Elminster has 5 classes, but that ignores that he has 29 levels of Wizard/Archmage. You call him a "controller" in 4E instead of a Wizard, but that's because he's stat'd up as an enemy. That's just meaningless pedantry trying to avoid the point.</p><p></p><p>The entire point is that powerful mages headline books and get guest spots: Mordenkainen has one book, another on its way, and a big guest appearance in an adventure. Tasha gets a book for herself. Fizban gets a book. Elminster is basically <em>the</em> person of the Forgotten Realms.</p><p></p><p>Who is that for fighters?</p><p></p><p>See, there really <em>isn't</em> someone like that. You named Abdel Adrian, but the only time I can think of him being used is in an unflattering bit part at the start of a D&DN adventure. There is no legendary fighter who travels around and impacts the Realms. The closest is Drizz't, but he's not in the same league as Elminster. And that's part of the problem here: going by the game, he <em>shouldn't be, </em>but there's very little fun in that. If you want martials to be able to do that, you need to give them the ability to reach the same sorts of heights as a mage. I would love to see a <em>Minsc's Book of Butt-Kicking for Goodness</em>, but who the hell would buy a book based around a bunch of classes that are meant to largely be inferior to magic-using ones?</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Justice and Rule, post: 9020862, member: 6778210"] Yeah, and no one [I]knows or cares[/I] who that is. It's a novel series based on a game. No offense, but no one cares if he was a fighter in that because no one thinks of the character from the novel. Again, if you had said [I]Minsc[/I], maybe you could make an argument. But Abdel Adrian is not a character as much as he is a placeholder. How appropriate that he is the DND Class equivalent of a placeholder as well. :confused: I think the bigger point is that you are really trying to dance around the issue through semantics: the point is that fighters don't get to be [I]epic [/I]in the same way wizards get to be. Your example of Drizz't is not Drizz't using his own power, but channeling that of a greater one. You talk about Caramon, but he doesn't stop Raistlin through power, at least from I can find. Instead, he convinces him to not do what he wants to do through his brotherly ties. You try to say that Elminster has 5 classes, but that ignores that he has 29 levels of Wizard/Archmage. You call him a "controller" in 4E instead of a Wizard, but that's because he's stat'd up as an enemy. That's just meaningless pedantry trying to avoid the point. The entire point is that powerful mages headline books and get guest spots: Mordenkainen has one book, another on its way, and a big guest appearance in an adventure. Tasha gets a book for herself. Fizban gets a book. Elminster is basically [I]the[/I] person of the Forgotten Realms. Who is that for fighters? See, there really [I]isn't[/I] someone like that. You named Abdel Adrian, but the only time I can think of him being used is in an unflattering bit part at the start of a D&DN adventure. There is no legendary fighter who travels around and impacts the Realms. The closest is Drizz't, but he's not in the same league as Elminster. And that's part of the problem here: going by the game, he [I]shouldn't be, [/I]but there's very little fun in that. If you want martials to be able to do that, you need to give them the ability to reach the same sorts of heights as a mage. I would love to see a [I]Minsc's Book of Butt-Kicking for Goodness[/I], but who the hell would buy a book based around a bunch of classes that are meant to largely be inferior to magic-using ones? [/QUOTE]
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