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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Chaosmancer" data-source="post: 9014909" data-attributes="member: 6801228">So, I am wondering something. Is Sorcery Incarnate any good? 5th level spell, which is a bit pricy, and concentration. It returns 1d4 pts which is... okay? I mean that is one more use of most metamagics on average, but it isn't ground-breaking. Especially since one of the major benefits is being able to stack metamagics. The problem is, the best metamagics to stack all take concentration, when means you don't want to use them, because 5th level spell down the drain. I'll do a quick run down of combos in a moment. But the final part is the part that not only is defintely good, but frustrating. Because advantage on spell attacks is great... and clearly meant to encourage you to use blast spells that have spell attacks. Which aren't that common. Actually... yikes... that is kind of bad isn't it? Ignoring Cantrips the list of spell attacks I can find from the Arcane Spell list?  - Chromatic Orb<ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Ray of Sickness</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Witch Bolt</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Melf's Acid Arrow</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Scorching Ray</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul"><s>Vampiric Touch</s> (Concentration)</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul"><s>Bigby's Hand</s> (Concentration)</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul"><s>Mordenkainen's Sword</s> (Concentration)</li> </ul>... That is 8 spells... I can add Chaos Bolt to bring it to 9, but then the concentration limitation drops it back to 6. And only one of these is generally considered any good. So is it worth it to cast a 5th level spell for advantage on Cantrips and spamming Scorching Ray? I mean... I don't think so. And looking at these, you would never use Careful spell, because none of these can target allies. Heighten and Extended are useless for these types of spells. Seeking is one of the best for these spells... but it can already be doubled up, same with Empowered (can you empowered seeking and a third? Maybe by RAW) So a 5th level spell, for advantage on cantrips and the option to Distant Subtle with advantage? That's the best option I can think of for this and that SUCKS. Especially since the Dragon Sorcerer wants to have this spell up so they can fly and use a close range burst.... meaning no distant metamagic needed!Now, just because the you won't get half the effect, I suppose you could still fireball and get something like careful transmuted... but DANG I just do not see what you are supposed to use this for.</blockquote>

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