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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Kzach" data-source="post: 5717153" data-attributes="member: 56189">Alternatively this thread could be called, "The Monk Basics thread made me do it!"I really don't need a 5e. But what I would like to see is 4e getting a 'spring clean'. I don't so much mind the drip-feeding of rules updates and changes we get, but at the same time, there are things in the system now that just need to be fixed in one, big, fell swoop.- All monsters updated to MM3 format, complexity AND math.- Errata the level-up chart to include math fixes to attacks and NADs.- Clean up all the useless and redundant feats.- Over-haul all the classes to refocus and rebalance them with all the above.- Address long-standing concerns over things like 'permafrost/frostcheese'.- Give all melee-based classes a primary-stat melee basic attack.- Give all ranged-based classes a primary-stat ranged basic attack.There are probably more but at the moment I can't think of any. Basically, none of the above are such major changes that I think they'd warrant being called 5e. But if done would still represent a fairly significant change, and so would warrant being called 4.5e. I know a lot of people call Essentials 4.5e but IMO all E-classes did was muddy the waters and provide different options, not replacement options (not considering the E-feats since feats in general get overwritten just by merit of being new, rather than in what they were published).I really think that 4e is at a point where a good, thorough, spring-cleaning could really revitalise and reinvigorate the edition to the point where it would gain at least another 3-5 more years before another edition was even remotely needed or warranted. And I, for one, would be very happy with such an update to the point where I'd even be happy to forgo new material for awhile whilst everyone at WotC concentrated on this one project.</blockquote>

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