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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Jasperak" data-source="post: 4415949" data-attributes="member: 2487">And that is my love/hate feelings towards $e. Because it puts so much emphasis on combat and just a hint towards out-of-combat stuff, I have found in my limited experience that that type of shine will get downplayed more by gamers overall. I miss the story of D&D and I see less of it now. Truth be told there was not much more in 3e. [spoiler]But at least there your character's abilities weren't limited to combat choices. Skills and skill challenges don't count to me.[/spoiler] I like a lot of what 4e has done; don't get me wrong. It's more balanced mechanics and help to low level characters just doesn't resonate as much with me. As a quick example, I don't see it possible to make an extended adventure out of B4-The Lost City with 4e. Someone has with 1e or OD&D.I don't want to sound like I'm bashing 4e, it's just that like the OP, it doesn't connect with me as strongly as earlier editions. Nothing wrong with that. Play what makes you happy. I will play 4e in the future, but it doesn't mean I am going to gloss over its warts.</blockquote>