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<blockquote data-quote="Desdichado" data-source="post: 3738796" data-attributes="member: 2205"><p>uhhh.... what? What are you talking about? I'm not angry in the slightest. I disagree with you fundamentally... I think your hypothesis and the reasons for it are based on wishful thinking and are completely contrary to whatever understanding I have of the RPG market (not that my understanding is anything special; it's just my opinion too, but at least I've bothered to read stuff such as Ryan Dancey's old posts about WotC market research.) But disagreeing with you doesn't mean I'm angry at you. I'm honestly baffled that you would think so.</p><p></p><p>Well, now you're putting words in my mouth. I never said that I only like customization. Although it's true that I do like it, I don't know if I've even said that here. I'm talking about what I believe the majority of players want. What I may or may not want is beside the point.</p><p></p><p>I doubt I'm an exception there. IIRC, the market research done by Dancey et al. indicated that relatively speaking, RPGs are not picking up new people at any kind of astonishing rate; I think more 3.5 players also played 1e when it was current than not. But that's just speculation.</p><p></p><p>Heh. Which I don't see happening either. Yes, I'm sure you don't believe that your opinions are wishful thinking, I'm saying that my opinion of your opinion is that it's wishful thinking, because my opinion is different. Perhaps my opinion is the one that's wishful thinking. I doubt it, though, since my opinion is at least more in line with where WotC seems to be going. That indicates to me through highly specious and indirect evidence that they also believe as I do about the market. And since I know that they do (or at least have done) market research, I tend to think they know more about the market than some guy who wants 1e reprinted.</p><p></p><p>That shows a fundamental misunderstanding of statistics. You don't need to poll every single person within a population to find out what the population is very likely to believe. You just need a representative sample. One may quibble about whether or not ENWorld is representative, but I don't see any reason to believe it's not. The only criteria that could potentially throw things off is that ENWorld self-selects for people who are less casual about gaming and want to speak about it.</p><p></p><p>Oh, yeah? I have no doubt that some 3.5 players are like that, but how do you figger that the "typical" 3.5 player is like that? Do you have some inside source of market research that I'm not aware of?</p><p></p><p>What a bizarre statement! Personal jibes? Nothing <em>nice</em> to say?</p><p></p><p>So you want to make a frankly incredible statement that has no fact to back it up, and when someone says, "actually, I think you're wrong there" you take offense at it? Holy crap. This kind of nonsense is exactly why I don't post at ENWorld nearly as much as I used to. Look, I'm sorry if you hoped that all you were going to get was validation of your opinion in this thread, but honestly, I just think you're wrong here. I don't think folks in general want what you wish they would want.</p><p></p><p>Some few do, and hey! More power to all y'all. No problem to me. But if you're claiming that gamers everywhere would enjoy a return to a Gygaxian paradigm of the hobby, I think you're dead wrong.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Desdichado, post: 3738796, member: 2205"] uhhh.... what? What are you talking about? I'm not angry in the slightest. I disagree with you fundamentally... I think your hypothesis and the reasons for it are based on wishful thinking and are completely contrary to whatever understanding I have of the RPG market (not that my understanding is anything special; it's just my opinion too, but at least I've bothered to read stuff such as Ryan Dancey's old posts about WotC market research.) But disagreeing with you doesn't mean I'm angry at you. I'm honestly baffled that you would think so. Well, now you're putting words in my mouth. I never said that I only like customization. Although it's true that I do like it, I don't know if I've even said that here. I'm talking about what I believe the majority of players want. What I may or may not want is beside the point. I doubt I'm an exception there. IIRC, the market research done by Dancey et al. indicated that relatively speaking, RPGs are not picking up new people at any kind of astonishing rate; I think more 3.5 players also played 1e when it was current than not. But that's just speculation. Heh. Which I don't see happening either. Yes, I'm sure you don't believe that your opinions are wishful thinking, I'm saying that my opinion of your opinion is that it's wishful thinking, because my opinion is different. Perhaps my opinion is the one that's wishful thinking. I doubt it, though, since my opinion is at least more in line with where WotC seems to be going. That indicates to me through highly specious and indirect evidence that they also believe as I do about the market. And since I know that they do (or at least have done) market research, I tend to think they know more about the market than some guy who wants 1e reprinted. That shows a fundamental misunderstanding of statistics. You don't need to poll every single person within a population to find out what the population is very likely to believe. You just need a representative sample. One may quibble about whether or not ENWorld is representative, but I don't see any reason to believe it's not. The only criteria that could potentially throw things off is that ENWorld self-selects for people who are less casual about gaming and want to speak about it. Oh, yeah? I have no doubt that some 3.5 players are like that, but how do you figger that the "typical" 3.5 player is like that? Do you have some inside source of market research that I'm not aware of? What a bizarre statement! Personal jibes? Nothing [i]nice[/i] to say? So you want to make a frankly incredible statement that has no fact to back it up, and when someone says, "actually, I think you're wrong there" you take offense at it? Holy crap. This kind of nonsense is exactly why I don't post at ENWorld nearly as much as I used to. Look, I'm sorry if you hoped that all you were going to get was validation of your opinion in this thread, but honestly, I just think you're wrong here. I don't think folks in general want what you wish they would want. Some few do, and hey! More power to all y'all. No problem to me. But if you're claiming that gamers everywhere would enjoy a return to a Gygaxian paradigm of the hobby, I think you're dead wrong. [/QUOTE]
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