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<blockquote data-quote="Neonchameleon" data-source="post: 5306762" data-attributes="member: 87792">Yes.&nbsp; And if they came from GURPS players I'd take them more seriously.&nbsp; As they come from players of older editions of D&amp;D I find them amusing.&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp;As opposed to no times...&nbsp; But there are several reasons that work.&nbsp; Opportunity, preparation, blessing, pulling out all the stops.&nbsp; 3e had no better reason for why Barbarian Rage could be pulled off exactly a set number of times per day.&nbsp;&nbsp;So does 3e.&nbsp; *shrug*&nbsp; Older editions have no consistent grappling rules.&nbsp; So you either need DM fiat (and that's going to be different from table to table and 90% of implementations are going to be bad) or to be unable to grapple.&nbsp;&nbsp;What do you mean &quot;The Same Creature&quot;?&nbsp; By the RAW, the exact same creature is never in more than one category.&nbsp; Or do you mean the same type of creature?&nbsp; In which case that's a pure 3e objection.&nbsp; And why shouldn't a six year old use different mechanics from a member of the town guard and him from the Royal Champion?&nbsp;&nbsp;It's faster.&nbsp; *shrug*&nbsp; Especially for calculating spells.&nbsp; 2e fireball underground, anyone?&nbsp;And my core problem with pre-4e is that I need to sit there like a lemon if I'm playing a fighter.&nbsp; When I fight with sword and shield I drive forwards, pushing most people back.&nbsp; Tide of Iron is an at will.&nbsp; If you have the battlemat at all and I can't do this easily I'm going to find the combat system too limiting to be credible.&nbsp; A lack of rules easily breaks simulation.&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="http://www.enworld.org/forum/4e-discussion/291256-hit-points-healing-surges-101-a.html" target="_blank">I find healing surges more plausible than the straight hit point model.</a>&nbsp; And that's without going into issues like Cure Light Wounds doing less as the character level increases.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Neonchameleon, post: 5306762, member: 87792"] Yes. And if they came from GURPS players I'd take them more seriously. As they come from players of older editions of D&D I find them amusing. As opposed to no times... But there are several reasons that work. Opportunity, preparation, blessing, pulling out all the stops. 3e had no better reason for why Barbarian Rage could be pulled off exactly a set number of times per day. So does 3e. *shrug* Older editions have no consistent grappling rules. So you either need DM fiat (and that's going to be different from table to table and 90% of implementations are going to be bad) or to be unable to grapple. What do you mean "The Same Creature"? By the RAW, the exact same creature is [I]never[/I] in more than one category. Or do you mean the same type of creature? In which case that's a pure 3e objection. And why shouldn't a six year old use different mechanics from a member of the town guard and him from the Royal Champion? It's faster. *shrug* Especially for calculating spells. 2e fireball underground, anyone? And my core problem with pre-4e is that I need to sit there like a lemon if I'm playing a fighter. When [I]I[/I] fight with sword and shield I drive forwards, pushing most people back. Tide of Iron is an at will. If you have the battlemat at all and I can't do this easily I'm going to find the combat system too limiting to be credible. A lack of rules easily breaks simulation. [url=http://www.enworld.org/forum/4e-discussion/291256-hit-points-healing-surges-101-a.html]I find healing surges [i]more[/i] plausible than the straight hit point model.[/url] And that's without going into issues like Cure Light Wounds doing less as the character level increases. [/QUOTE]

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