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<blockquote data-quote="Alex319" data-source="post: 5307758" data-attributes="member: 45678">I never claimed that the rules &quot;guarantee&quot; fairness.Anyway, let me bring up the last point I made, which I've looked a lot but never got a satisfactory answer to:If martial powers have to be consistent with real-world physics and combat techniques, why don't divine powers have to be consistent with real-world religious and theological ideas*, and why don't arcane powers have to be consistent with real-world magical** traditions?*** If the answer is &quot;Because the D+D world has a different cosmology and religion than we do, so real-world information doesn't apply&quot;, then why can't the same explanation be used for martial powers: &quot;Because fighting in the D+D world is different than in our world?&quot;*Just to be clear, it is not my intention to get into any form of debate about whether real-world religion is true or not. When I say &quot;real-world religious and theological ideas&quot; I mean &quot;ideas that people believe in or have had, as they would apply to a D+D style world&quot;, irrespective of how they apply to our world.**Same caveat above applies to any discussions of whether supernatural phenomena exist in the real world.***Or even &quot;Why don't arcane powers have to be consistent with what we can do in real life with electricity&quot;, because electricity is probably the closest thing we have in the real world to arcane power: you can &quot;charge up&quot; devices with it, if it &quot;runs out&quot; you can't use it until you &quot;recharge&quot; it, all kinds of different types of things run off the same &quot;power source&quot;, etc.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Alex319, post: 5307758, member: 45678"] I never claimed that the rules "guarantee" fairness. Anyway, let me bring up the last point I made, which I've looked a lot but never got a satisfactory answer to: [B]If martial powers have to be consistent with real-world physics and combat techniques, why don't divine powers have to be consistent with real-world religious and theological ideas*, and why don't arcane powers have to be consistent with real-world magical** traditions?***[/B] If the answer is "Because the D+D world has a different cosmology and religion than we do, so real-world information doesn't apply", then why can't the same explanation be used for martial powers: "Because fighting in the D+D world is different than in our world?" *Just to be clear, it is not my intention to get into any form of debate about whether real-world religion is true or not. When I say "real-world religious and theological ideas" I mean "ideas that people believe in or have had, as they would apply to a D+D style world", irrespective of how they apply to our world. **Same caveat above applies to any discussions of whether supernatural phenomena exist in the real world. ***Or even "Why don't arcane powers have to be consistent with what we can do in real life with electricity", because electricity is probably the closest thing we have in the real world to arcane power: you can "charge up" devices with it, if it "runs out" you can't use it until you "recharge" it, all kinds of different types of things run off the same "power source", etc. [/QUOTE]

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