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<blockquote data-quote="Hussar" data-source="post: 5309308" data-attributes="member: 22779">Moorcock is a literary &quot;outlier&quot;?&nbsp; Umm, what?&nbsp; He's a best selling author with a raft of literary awards from both SF and the fantasy side of the street.&nbsp; And, he's still pushing out content as well - there's a new Moorcock story in the Starshipsofa collection (if you're an audio fiction fan).&nbsp; Putting Moorcock in the same basket as Vance (who truly is an under-appreciated author) is not accurate.&nbsp; Moorcock is a well known author, well outside gaming circles.&nbsp; I'd even go so far to say that withing fantasy circles, Moorcock is as well known as Howard.&nbsp; Numerous graphic novels, a couple of rock bands, and he's been pretty much constantly in print for the past four decades.Definitely not a minor player in the fantasy scene.On the whole genre definition thing, you have to remember that genre isn't generally (although sometimes it is) defined by trope, but by theme.&nbsp; Sword and Sorcery isn't defined by the level of magic, but by the scope of the plot.&nbsp; S&amp;S fantasy deals with the individual (or small group of individuals) who is usually shady (to say the least) and not interested in saving the world or doing anything altruistic like that.&nbsp; It's contrasted with epic fantasy by way of the plot - epic fantasy is huge, sprawling, cast of thousands, end of the world, great wars, etc.&nbsp; &quot;I don't like it&quot; is not a reason to reject a work from a genre.Then again, I'm a big believer that 4e actually does S&amp;S pulp very well.&nbsp; Larger than life heroes that kick ass and take names.&nbsp; Conan isn't a normal guy who does extraordinary things.&nbsp; He's the direct descendant of an Atlantean king, the strongest, the nastiest and the best at pretty much everything.&nbsp; Sounds a lot like a 4e character to me.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Hussar, post: 5309308, member: 22779"] Moorcock is a literary "outlier"? Umm, what? He's a best selling author with a raft of literary awards from both SF and the fantasy side of the street. And, he's still pushing out content as well - there's a new Moorcock story in the Starshipsofa collection (if you're an audio fiction fan). Putting Moorcock in the same basket as Vance (who truly is an under-appreciated author) is not accurate. Moorcock is a well known author, well outside gaming circles. I'd even go so far to say that withing fantasy circles, Moorcock is as well known as Howard. Numerous graphic novels, a couple of rock bands, and he's been pretty much constantly in print for the past four decades. Definitely not a minor player in the fantasy scene. On the whole genre definition thing, you have to remember that genre isn't generally (although sometimes it is) defined by trope, but by theme. Sword and Sorcery isn't defined by the level of magic, but by the scope of the plot. S&S fantasy deals with the individual (or small group of individuals) who is usually shady (to say the least) and not interested in saving the world or doing anything altruistic like that. It's contrasted with epic fantasy by way of the plot - epic fantasy is huge, sprawling, cast of thousands, end of the world, great wars, etc. "I don't like it" is not a reason to reject a work from a genre. Then again, I'm a big believer that 4e actually does S&S pulp very well. Larger than life heroes that kick ass and take names. Conan isn't a normal guy who does extraordinary things. He's the direct descendant of an Atlantean king, the strongest, the nastiest and the best at pretty much everything. Sounds a lot like a 4e character to me. [/QUOTE]

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