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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Aegeri" data-source="post: 5316133" data-attributes="member: 78116">Which I would. The grab action would fail, powers that grab would not.Then he wasn't a very effective brawler fighter was he! Their whole point is grabbing. It's like if you told me there was a great-weapon fighter in your game and he threw chickens at his opponent.This is a common houserule, but really bones over Brawler fighters (that are actually built to do what the builds name suggests).Gargantuan is 4 squares or bigger. See page 282 of the PHB for reference. A tarrasque swarm is "gargantuan" because that is the biggest size in 4E, but in reality it would occupy over 4x4 squares (which is by definition gargantuan). I am aware of both monsters, but there isn't anything particularly significant about either. I use the example of a crit as an example of rules inconsistencies (something I view makes just as little sense by the rules): Not something I change or even think about outside of internet arguments in my own games.This is because the normal grab attack is its own power and specifically states that you cannot grab a creature more than two size categories larger than yourself.The Brawlers power grab as an effect and the grabbed effect is this:Note that nowhere under ending the grab is "Too large". You are confusing the power "grab" that lets you grab a creature, with powers that grab as an effect. Powers that grab as an effect don't have this problem - otherwise how did you expect the Brawler fighter to use half his powers on a huge dragon?</blockquote>

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