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<blockquote data-quote="Aegeri" data-source="post: 5316133" data-attributes="member: 78116"><p>Which I would. The grab action would fail, powers that grab would not.</p><p></p><p>Then he wasn't a very effective brawler fighter was he! Their whole point is grabbing. It's like if you told me there was a great-weapon fighter in your game and he threw chickens at his opponent.</p><p></p><p>This is a common houserule, but really bones over Brawler fighters (that are actually built to do what the builds name suggests).</p><p></p><p>Gargantuan is 4 squares or bigger. See page 282 of the PHB for reference. A tarrasque swarm is "gargantuan" because that is the biggest size in 4E, but in reality it would occupy over 4x4 squares (which is by definition gargantuan). </p><p></p><p>I am aware of both monsters, but there isn't anything particularly significant about either. I use the example of a crit as an example of rules inconsistencies (something I view makes just as little sense by the rules): Not something I change or even think about outside of internet arguments in my own games.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>This is because the normal grab attack is its own power and specifically states that you cannot grab a creature more than two size categories larger than yourself.</p><p></p><p>The Brawlers power grab as an <strong>effect</strong> and the grabbed <strong>effect</strong> is this:</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Note that nowhere under ending the grab is "Too large". You are confusing the power "grab" that lets you grab a creature, with powers that grab as an effect. Powers that grab as an effect don't have this problem - otherwise how did you expect the Brawler fighter to use half his powers on a huge dragon?</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Aegeri, post: 5316133, member: 78116"] Which I would. The grab action would fail, powers that grab would not. Then he wasn't a very effective brawler fighter was he! Their whole point is grabbing. It's like if you told me there was a great-weapon fighter in your game and he threw chickens at his opponent. This is a common houserule, but really bones over Brawler fighters (that are actually built to do what the builds name suggests). Gargantuan is 4 squares or bigger. See page 282 of the PHB for reference. A tarrasque swarm is "gargantuan" because that is the biggest size in 4E, but in reality it would occupy over 4x4 squares (which is by definition gargantuan). I am aware of both monsters, but there isn't anything particularly significant about either. I use the example of a crit as an example of rules inconsistencies (something I view makes just as little sense by the rules): Not something I change or even think about outside of internet arguments in my own games. This is because the normal grab attack is its own power and specifically states that you cannot grab a creature more than two size categories larger than yourself. The Brawlers power grab as an [b]effect[/b] and the grabbed [b]effect[/b] is this: Note that nowhere under ending the grab is "Too large". You are confusing the power "grab" that lets you grab a creature, with powers that grab as an effect. Powers that grab as an effect don't have this problem - otherwise how did you expect the Brawler fighter to use half his powers on a huge dragon? [/QUOTE]
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