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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Aegeri" data-source="post: 5316216" data-attributes="member: 78116">Okay, where in the power is the following in the target line: This is not in the target line of grappling strike. Therefore you need to prove that grappling strike is under this condition. Grab is an attack. They are not the same thing.This isn't pedantry, this is important because you're interpreting the grab as making an entire attack - including a target line that isn't present in the original power. Correct, it also isn't subject to the target line of the power. The target has already been hit and grabbed - the target of grab has no effect as a result. The only way for grab to be relevant, is if you go through the procedure of making an attack against that creature using the grabbed power.You are definitely mistaken here: Because the grappler fighter completely fails to work correctly under your interpretation. Many feats, powers and similar rely on grabbing. If they cannot grab a target - like a huge solo or similar - the class just doesn't work in that encounter. <a href="http://community.wizards.com/go/thread/view/75882/25522301/Brawler_Fighters:_can_Grappling_Strike_grab_any_size_of_creature?post_id=459978137#459978137" target="_blank">There is also agreement elsewhere with my interpretation</a>. I don't need to, the power tells me what you can grab right in the target line: One creature. You need to tell me where the targeting restriction is, because the power does not have the restriction that grab does. That's what makes it better than grab.You are conflating grab as an attack vs. grappling strike, which is not the same as a grab attack. Also "grab" implies the grabbed condition, otherwise would you explain the following:So according to you "Grab" doesn't mean grabbed. So how does the above power actually work? The hit line doesn't say it imposes the "Grabbed" condition it says it "grabs" the target. Yet the sustain relies on the creature being grabbed.So in your entirely consistent opinion, can Bigby's Icy Grasp impose the grabbed condition for the sustain minor to work, or can't it? I can't see where it says on the hit line the hand imposes the grabbed condition, yet the sustain minor has to work somehow and yet they use the word "Grabs" just like the brawler fighter. It's pretty obvious that the "grab" is referring to imposing the grabbed condition - not going over some attack process that has already been done when you made the attack originally. Again, the confusion is that "Grab" is an attack, not a condition but wizards powers are badly worded so use "grab the target" instead of the more correct grabbed. The clear RAI (And RAW) is that grapplers strike is not subject in any way to the restrictions on grab (which is an entirely separate attack).<img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f61b.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":p" title="Stick out tongue    :p"  data-smilie="7"data-shortname=":p" /></blockquote>

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