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<blockquote data-quote="DracoSuave" data-source="post: 5316251" data-attributes="member: 71571">1)&nbsp; 'Grabbed' is not a condition, no more than 'suffering a bond of destiny' or 'entering the rage of the thunderfury boar'.2)&nbsp; Fighter powers that allow you to grab follow the rules for the grab.&nbsp; The attack roll and hit for those powers contradict the grab rules.. you cannot have a Strength vs AC attack that adds weapon modifiers also be a Strength vs Reflex attack that does not.&nbsp; That is a contradiction.&nbsp; You cannot have an attack deal damage and not deal damage.&nbsp; That is a contradiction.&nbsp; Thusly, the power uses the most specific of the two... its own entry.&nbsp; However, 'one creature' and 'you can attempt to grab a creature that is smaller than you, the same size category as you, or one size larger than you' are not contradictory.&nbsp; They intersect, and you can easily have both occur at the same time.&nbsp; As they do not contradict, Specific beats General doesn't kick in, and you actually apply the normal rule for grabbing.Many fighter powers don't work against creatures two steps larger than you, grabs are not even unusual in that regard.&nbsp; Nor is this fighter helpless, he still gets the regular effect of the power, the grab being all that is not allowed.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="DracoSuave, post: 5316251, member: 71571"] 1) 'Grabbed' is not a condition, no more than 'suffering a bond of destiny' or 'entering the rage of the thunderfury boar'. 2) Fighter powers that allow you to grab follow the rules for the grab. The attack roll and hit for those powers contradict the grab rules.. you cannot have a Strength vs AC attack that adds weapon modifiers also be a Strength vs Reflex attack that does not. That is a contradiction. You cannot have an attack deal damage and not deal damage. That is a contradiction. Thusly, the power uses the most specific of the two... its own entry. However, 'one creature' and 'you can attempt to grab a creature that is smaller than you, the same size category as you, or one size larger than you' are not contradictory. They intersect, and you can easily have both occur at the same time. As they do not contradict, Specific beats General doesn't kick in, and you actually apply the normal rule for grabbing. Many fighter powers don't work against creatures two steps larger than you, grabs are not even unusual in that regard. Nor is this fighter helpless, he still gets the regular effect of the power, the grab being all that is not allowed. [/QUOTE]

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