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<blockquote data-quote="P1NBACK" data-source="post: 5317616" data-attributes="member: 83768">It's not impossible. I've said 100 times that I certainly permit grabbing swarms - so long as you say it (justify it) in the fiction. I wouldn't let you grab a swarm just by saying &quot;my power let's me grab it&quot; just like I wouldn't allow you to use Intimidate by saying &quot;I want to roll an Intimidate check&quot;. I don't know how to clarify this further. I've tried many, many times to clarify this, but you guys keep arguing me about &quot;not allowing grab&quot;. Like, Draco said, a swarm is made of many &quot;entities&quot; or beings and that has nothing to do with &quot;creature&quot; because creature is used in that entry as nomenclature for one specific &quot;challenge&quot; or monster in the game text. So, it makes sense not to make judgment calls on that. The difference between grab and creature is that grab is an actual action that reflects grabbing something with your hand (you have to have a hand free to do it, right?) but &quot;creature&quot; is an open-ended concept that covers a generalized definition of monsters in the game. It doesn't have any fictional concerns however - it's only mechanical. Humanoid is a &quot;game term&quot; as well, but it has specific fictional concerns. Grab is like humanoid, not creature in that respect. Creature is more akin to &quot;feat&quot; or &quot;Daily power&quot; - nothing fictional about those. It's a mistake I made, and Draco called me on it. I acknowledged the mistake. At least I have the courage to do that when I'm wrong. I'm still waiting for Aegeri to respond to WotC's ruling on grab. That should be interesting. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink&nbsp; &nbsp; ;)"&nbsp; data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" /></blockquote>

[QUOTE="P1NBACK, post: 5317616, member: 83768"] It's not impossible. I've said 100 times that I certainly permit grabbing swarms - so long as you say it (justify it) in the fiction. I wouldn't let you grab a swarm just by saying "my power let's me grab it" just like I wouldn't allow you to use Intimidate by saying "I want to roll an Intimidate check". I don't know how to clarify this further. I've tried many, many times to clarify this, but you guys keep arguing me about "not allowing grab". Like, Draco said, a swarm is made of many "entities" or beings and that has nothing to do with "creature" because creature is used in that entry as nomenclature for one specific "challenge" or monster in the game text. So, it makes sense not to make judgment calls on that. The difference between grab and creature is that grab is an actual action that reflects grabbing something with your hand (you have to have a hand free to do it, right?) but "creature" is an open-ended concept that covers a generalized definition of monsters in the game. It doesn't have any fictional concerns however - it's only mechanical. Humanoid is a "game term" as well, but it has specific fictional concerns. Grab is like humanoid, not creature in that respect. Creature is more akin to "feat" or "Daily power" - nothing fictional about those. It's a mistake I made, and Draco called me on it. I acknowledged the mistake. At least I have the courage to do that when I'm wrong. I'm still waiting for Aegeri to respond to WotC's ruling on grab. That should be interesting. ;) [/QUOTE]

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