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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Aegeri" data-source="post: 5321781" data-attributes="member: 78116">Neither is "Removed from Play" and yet that is also a rules condition. Also, most of the original PHB conditions are now wrong or errata'ed. Same with grab/grabbed.It's also the effect of powers that grab, making the grab action it's own attack and not a condition.Nope. It's not a condition. Grabbed is the condition.Correct, because according to you the "Grabbed" condition doesn't exist. So therefore the sustain cannot work because 'grab' isn't a condition. Grabbed is the condition. Hence your confusion that I am sorting out now.And the sustain relies on having a target grabbed, as in the condition. Meaning that when a power says you grab something, it is assuming the grabbed condition. That's what I specifically asked when I addressed CS earlier.Except Bigby's Says "Grab" and yet the sustain line refers to the grabbed condition. Proving that you are incorrect.Correct, which none of those powers are using the target and effect line of. Meaning they are not subject to that powers restrictions. As CS already confirmed when I asked them specifically.I've also quoted you the definition of grabbed.In this case, you are simply wrong asserting that there is no grabbed condition because there is.It doesn't matter, because the PHB is wrong on tons of things now and has been outdated by other rules sources. Grabbed is a formal condition in the game and powers that say "You grab the target" do not refer to the rules for grab (which is explicitly another attack power now in Heroes of the Fallen Lands, not a condition).I'll give you another example of a rules condition that is a condition that isn't in the PHB: Removed from Play. Do you disagree that Removed from Play is a condition despite the lack of it from the PHB? Grab is an attack and a condition. If you needed to make a grab attack it should state so. Grabbed is the condition. You have failed to convince me you need to be subjected to the restrictions of grabbed when "grab" also means a condition. Again, as Bigby's Elephant in the Room suggests (as you keep avoiding the fact "Grab" means "Grabbed" in that power constantly).In any event, not having access to up to date rules sources doesn't mean you can ignore what they say. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />It makes perfect sense to me that powers specify what their effects do and their targets. That's how I play. No one I've ever played with in real life or my two online games has ever considered it otherwise. Only on the internet will you find these people trying to hose players out of their abilities legitimately working.And with that, I'm now quite done with both arguments and this thread.</blockquote>

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