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<blockquote data-quote="MrMyth" data-source="post: 5322585" data-attributes="member: 61155">Wait, seriously? If people playing Monopoly decide to invent full-fledged personalities for their characters, and take actions in character, and make decisions based on roleplaying reasons rather than what would be the most effective winning move of the game... you don't consider them to have added a roleplaying element to the game?&nbsp;The real problem I see with these sort of complaints is that they seem to feel that certain game elements are incompatible. That adding more tactical elements to the combat portion of D&amp;D requires removing roleplaying elements in some fashion. Which is just absurd - there isn't some zero-sum equation of what elements a game can consist of. &nbsp;I don't object to you wanting to play a game that is 'fiction first'. I do object to board claims that other gamers are incapable of roleplaying when they play a D&amp;D combat with accessories like miniatures. If you find it breaks your suspension of disbelief, fair enough, that's one thing - but you are making some sweeping statements (that tactical combat = a board game) that don't mesh at all with other people's experiences, and you need to recognize that people are going to continue to object to that.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="MrMyth, post: 5322585, member: 61155"] Wait, seriously? If people playing Monopoly decide to invent full-fledged personalities for their characters, and take actions in character, and make decisions based on roleplaying reasons rather than what would be the most effective winning move of the game... you don't consider them to have added a roleplaying element to the game? The real problem I see with these sort of complaints is that they seem to feel that certain game elements are incompatible. That adding more tactical elements to the combat portion of D&D requires removing roleplaying elements in some fashion. Which is just absurd - there isn't some zero-sum equation of what elements a game can consist of. I don't object to you wanting to play a game that is 'fiction first'. I do object to board claims that other gamers are incapable of roleplaying when they play a D&D combat with accessories like miniatures. If you find it breaks your suspension of disbelief, fair enough, that's one thing - but you are making some sweeping statements (that tactical combat = a board game) that don't mesh at all with other people's experiences, and you need to recognize that people are going to continue to object to that. [/QUOTE]

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