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<blockquote data-quote="pemerton" data-source="post: 5324343" data-attributes="member: 42582">I think there may be two different issues here.(1) I think 4e can be played in a dissasociated way that (for example) Basic D&amp;D can't be. This creates a potential problem, of a standing temptation to dissasociate. LostSoul has posted about this before, and others have as well I'm' sure.The solution I use is to located actions in the fiction in my own description of them (as GM), to encourage players to do the same, and to be as liberal as I can be in respect of p 42, skill challenges and other aspects of the game that feed directly off the fiction.(2) What does one make of conditions like Grabbed or Prone that appear to not always fit the fiction? One way is the &quot;Condition Blue, Condition Red&quot; approach that P1NBACK is diagnosing. Another is to take the approach of suspending the rules in repsonse to the fiction (that some in this thread, including P1NBACK - if I'm reading properly - have advocated). A third, though, which is what I and (I think) Aegeri advocate is to allow the rules to apply, but to require some description of what's happening in the fiction. See (1) above for solutions to the question of how to make this count.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="pemerton, post: 5324343, member: 42582"] [COLOR=White] I think there may be two different issues here. (1) I think 4e [I]can[/I] be played in a dissasociated way that (for example) Basic D&D can't be. This creates a potential problem, of a standing temptation to dissasociate. LostSoul has posted about this before, and others have as well I'm' sure. The solution I use is to located actions in the fiction in my own description of them (as GM), to encourage players to do the same, and to be as liberal as I can be in respect of p 42, skill challenges and other aspects of the game that feed directly off the fiction. (2) What does one make of conditions like Grabbed or Prone that appear to not always fit the fiction? One way is the "Condition Blue, Condition Red" approach that P1NBACK is diagnosing. Another is to take the approach of suspending the rules in repsonse to the fiction (that some in this thread, including P1NBACK - if I'm reading properly - have advocated). A third, though, which is what I and (I think) Aegeri advocate is to allow the rules to apply, but to require some description of what's happening in the fiction. See (1) above for solutions to the question of how to make this count.[/color] [/QUOTE]

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