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<blockquote data-quote="P1NBACK" data-source="post: 5326779" data-attributes="member: 83768">The established fiction is, &quot;I try to shoot you in the face.&quot; It's never negated by saying, &quot;Sure, you do, but I duck to avoid the blow.&quot; This is not complex. Nah. Disassociated mechanics means the mechanics don't impact the fiction. That's why it's called disassociated mechanics and not disassociated fiction. You're right though. This is a different argument than what we were talking about earlier. &nbsp;Exactly. Yes. That's what I've been saying all along. You can't apply the rules to every situation without negating the fiction. In some cases, the grab attack won't function. &nbsp;It doesn't have to be the DM being the final arbiter. Everyone at the table should generally agree. This is why I propose a discussion about the tone and color we're trying to project at the table. Anime or Tolkien? Yeah. See I wouldn't. The rules say that you can't grab a creature more than one size category larger. It makes sense fictionally. So, I'd go with that rule and not make up other penalties. &nbsp;Yeah. See. I'd just have them run from the gargantuan swarm, like they do in the movie. &nbsp;Nah. Abstract does not equal disassociated.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="P1NBACK, post: 5326779, member: 83768"] The established fiction is, "I try to shoot you in the face." It's never negated by saying, "Sure, you do, but I duck to avoid the blow." This is not complex. Nah. Disassociated mechanics means the mechanics don't impact the fiction. That's why it's called disassociated mechanics and not disassociated fiction. You're right though. This is a different argument than what we were talking about earlier. Exactly. Yes. That's what I've been saying all along. You can't apply the rules to every situation without negating the fiction. In [B][I]some cases[/I][/B], the grab attack won't function. It doesn't have to be the DM being the final arbiter. Everyone at the table should generally agree. This is why I propose a discussion about the tone and color we're trying to project at the table. Anime or Tolkien? Yeah. See I wouldn't. The rules say that you can't grab a creature more than one size category larger. It makes sense fictionally. So, I'd go with that rule and not make up other penalties. Yeah. See. I'd just have them run from the gargantuan swarm, like they do in the movie. Nah. Abstract does not equal disassociated. [/QUOTE]

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