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<blockquote data-quote="Alex319" data-source="post: 5328097" data-attributes="member: 45678">I think I see the problem here and that is that it's not clear what the distinction you're trying to make is between DitV and 4e as far as the relationship of the mechanics to the fiction.For example, in 4e we have:1. (FICTIONAL ACTION) Player: &quot;I try to swing my axe in a wide arc to hit the target and go through into the guy next to him.&quot;2. (MECHANICAL ACTION) Player: &quot;I use Cleave. (rolls) 24 vs. AC, 12 damage.&quot;3. (FICTIONAL RESPONSE) DM: &quot;The enemy generates a magic force field around himself.&quot; 4. (MECHANICAL RESPONSE) DM: &quot;The enemy has AC 22, but he uses his Shield immediate interrupt to buff his AC to 26.&quot;5. (MECHANICAL RESULT) Player: &quot;Okay, then I miss.&quot;6. (FICTIONAL RESULT) DM: &quot;You swing your axe, and just as you think it's about to hit him a force field appears around him, and your axe bounces harmlessly off the force field.&quot;Here is your example for DitV:Breaking it down:1. (FICTIONAL ACTION) DM: &quot;Jim shoots you in the face!&quot;2. (MECHANICAL ACTION) DM: (pushes forward two dice)3. (FICTIONAL RESPONSE) Player: &quot;Sam ducks! He draws his gun and fires back!&quot;4. (MECHANICAL RESPONSE) Player: (pushes forward 2 dice for the duck, then 4 dice for the counter-attack) 5. (MECHANICAL RESULT) DM: &quot;Jim takes the blow.&quot; (And mark off whatever injury it is)6. (FICTIONAL RESULT) DM: &quot;You shoot him right in the chest.&quot;In both cases, there's a sequence of action, possible response by the opponent, and final result, and each of those is described by both mechanics and fiction. I'm not clear on what &quot;arrow between mechanics and fiction&quot; or vice versa is present in DitV but is missing in 4e.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Alex319, post: 5328097, member: 45678"] I think I see the problem here and that is that it's not clear what the distinction you're trying to make is between DitV and 4e as far as the relationship of the mechanics to the fiction. For example, in 4e we have: 1. (FICTIONAL ACTION) Player: "I try to swing my axe in a wide arc to hit the target and go through into the guy next to him." 2. (MECHANICAL ACTION) Player: "I use Cleave. (rolls) 24 vs. AC, 12 damage." 3. (FICTIONAL RESPONSE) DM: "The enemy generates a magic force field around himself." 4. (MECHANICAL RESPONSE) DM: "The enemy has AC 22, but he uses his Shield immediate interrupt to buff his AC to 26." 5. (MECHANICAL RESULT) Player: "Okay, then I miss." 6. (FICTIONAL RESULT) DM: "You swing your axe, and just as you think it's about to hit him a force field appears around him, and your axe bounces harmlessly off the force field." Here is your example for DitV: Breaking it down: 1. (FICTIONAL ACTION) DM: "Jim shoots you in the face!" 2. (MECHANICAL ACTION) DM: (pushes forward two dice) 3. (FICTIONAL RESPONSE) Player: "Sam ducks! He draws his gun and fires back!" 4. (MECHANICAL RESPONSE) Player: (pushes forward 2 dice for the duck, then 4 dice for the counter-attack) 5. (MECHANICAL RESULT) DM: "Jim takes the blow." (And mark off whatever injury it is) 6. (FICTIONAL RESULT) DM: "You shoot him right in the chest." In both cases, there's a sequence of action, possible response by the opponent, and final result, and each of those is described by both mechanics and fiction. I'm not clear on what "arrow between mechanics and fiction" or vice versa is present in DitV but is missing in 4e. [/QUOTE]

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