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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Imaro" data-source="post: 4438455" data-attributes="member: 48965">Yes, I agree here as I remember from the last time we played, a human jedi can get ridiculously high Use the Force skil at level one.Eh, I think 4e is more than just "a little higher then the Saga standard for non-Jedi."  I would argue it's as high or higher than Jedi in SWSE.  Personally I think SWSE has less to keep track of during combat than 4e (insofar as minor bonuses, immediate actions & reactions, etc.) I also think SWSE allows for more customization, even insofar as a particular characters combat abilities are concerned.I'm going to disagree here.  In SWSE you can make a soldier character who is very good at taking hits and damage (a defender) by specializing in the Armor Specialist Talent Tree and supplementing it with feats like Toughness, Improved Damage Threshold, Shake it Off and Combat Reflexes.  Also Jedi who specialize in blocking, deflection, etc. can serve as defenders.I think the difference here is that in 4e you are 95% tied to the class which gives you one role for combat... while in SWSE, you can invest however much you want into a particular combat role, but the classes themselves are broad archetypes that you specialize with your choices.</blockquote>