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Message: <blockquote data-quote="delericho" data-source="post: 4990201" data-attributes="member: 22424">The core is too damn big. The original set of core rulebooks runs to 832 pages, which IMO is about three times too much. Having introduced D&D to various young people, and having literally seen the enthusiasm drain from them at the prospect of "having to read all that", I'm convinced this has to be a big barrier to entry.(FWIW, Pathfinder is even worse in this area - 896 pages between the Core Rulebook and the Bestiary, and much more dense text - there may be as much as 50% more material there than in 4e.)At the same time (and an odd complaint to put next to the first one), the 'core game' made up of the first three core rulebooks feels very... limited. (I'm not going to say 'incomplete', because that's really not accurate but yes, it is essentially that same complaint.) It feels to me like a rather nice 'starter set', but is almost crying out for "X Power" and at least "Monster Manual 2" to make it really sing.(I have no idea how you could fix both those issues together, if it is even possible to do so. That's just the feeling I get.)(Oh, and while I'm at it, I hate that they've redefined 'core' so that there's now no easy way to refer to "Players Handbook 1", "Dungeon Master's Guide 1" and "Monster Manual 1" collectively.)I also feel that some areas of the rules are still overly complicated. 4e has made some big strides to being a simpler game, and has gone a long way to being more newbie-friendly (especially newbie-DM-friendly), but there is still a ways to go.(There are other things I don't like about the game, but they're much more matters of personal taste. Since I'm not the biggest fan of the game - although there is a lot I admire about it - and since I have no desire to kick off an edition war, I'll not bring in every little thing.)</blockquote>

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