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<blockquote data-quote="CharlesRyan" data-source="post: 4830125" data-attributes="member: 5265">Hi, Jeff, glad you had fun, welcome aboard, and I look forward to your ongoing observations!I've had a lot of the same issues, and I won't be abandoning some of my other games for 4E. But in my experience 4E is really optimized for a particular type of game, and these issues are not so important in that game type. (Fortunately, that particular type of game is exactly what lies at the core of the D&amp;D experience: kicking down doors, killing monsters, and taking their stuff!)In fact, 4E is so well optimized to that game type that it's actually brought me back after decades. Here's a little secret: Prior to 4E, I hadn't really played much D&amp;D since the 80s, even during my six years at WotC (both R&amp;D and Brand). I played lots of d20--Modern, Star Wars, CoC, and others--but only a modest amount of honest-to-god D&amp;D, and never a campaign.I still play lots of other things, but I'm playing two real, true D&amp;D campaigns now as well. I wouldn't use 4E for those other games, because it doesn't generate a play style that works for them. But I'm playing--and enjoying--the heck out of 4E. And the issues that rub me wrong--even the ones I thought would bug me a lot--don't seem to matter that much in the real D&amp;D context.Hope you have the same experience. Look forward to your next post!</blockquote>

[QUOTE="CharlesRyan, post: 4830125, member: 5265"] Hi, Jeff, glad you had fun, welcome aboard, and I look forward to your ongoing observations! I've had a lot of the same issues, and I won't be abandoning some of my other games for 4E. But in my experience 4E is really optimized for a particular type of game, and these issues are not so important in that game type. (Fortunately, that particular type of game is exactly what lies at the core of the D&D experience: kicking down doors, killing monsters, and taking their stuff!) In fact, 4E is so well optimized to that game type that it's actually brought me back after decades. Here's a little secret: Prior to 4E, I hadn't really played much D&D since the 80s, even during my six years at WotC (both R&D and Brand). I played lots of d20--Modern, Star Wars, CoC, and others--but only a modest amount of honest-to-god D&D, and never a campaign. I still play lots of other things, but I'm playing two real, true D&D campaigns now as well. I wouldn't use 4E for those other games, because it doesn't generate a play style that works for them. But I'm playing--and enjoying--the heck out of 4E. And the issues that rub me wrong--even the ones I thought would bug me a lot--don't seem to matter that much in the real D&D context. Hope you have the same experience. Look forward to your next post! [/QUOTE]

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