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<blockquote data-quote="Stoat" data-source="post: 4831969" data-attributes="member: 16786">I'd certainly say that the 1E DMG was encouraging the use of minis, whether or not minis use was assumed.&nbsp; The word &quot;miniatures&quot; shows up three times in the DMG's index, and I quoted a few bits from each of the three references.&nbsp; Frankly, I was surprised at how much the book had to say about the topic.&nbsp; I started playing in 1988, and switched to 2E pretty quickly.&nbsp; I could probably count on one hand the number of times I used minis for D&amp;D before 1999.I'm curious about the costumes reference in 2E.&nbsp; Where was it and what did it say?If the 2E DMG spent as much space talking about costumes, had referenced Official Advanced Dungeons &amp; Dragons costumes, had included the addresses of vendors who sold those costumes, and had suggested that DM's urge their players to buy costumes, then I'd say that 2E was encouraging, perhaps even assuming, the use of costumes.Now, I will not argue that from 3E forward miniatures are much more integrated in the game.&nbsp; I can't imagine how you would play 3 or 4E without miniatures. But I do think you're understating the extent to which 1E encouraged the use of miniatures in play.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Stoat, post: 4831969, member: 16786"] I'd certainly say that the 1E DMG was [i]encouraging[/i] the use of minis, whether or not minis use was [i]assumed[/i]. The word "miniatures" shows up three times in the DMG's index, and I quoted a few bits from each of the three references. Frankly, I was surprised at how much the book had to say about the topic. I started playing in 1988, and switched to 2E pretty quickly. I could probably count on one hand the number of times I used minis for D&D before 1999. I'm curious about the costumes reference in 2E. Where was it and what did it say? If the 2E DMG spent as much space talking about costumes, had referenced [b]Official Advanced Dungeons & Dragons[/b] costumes, had included the addresses of vendors who sold those costumes, and had suggested that DM's urge their players to buy costumes, then I'd say that 2E was encouraging, perhaps even assuming, the use of costumes. Now, I will not argue that from 3E forward miniatures are much more integrated in the game. I can't imagine how you would play 3 or 4E without miniatures. But I do think you're understating the extent to which 1E encouraged the use of miniatures in play. [/QUOTE]

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