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<blockquote data-quote="Mustrum_Ridcully" data-source="post: 5014182" data-attributes="member: 710">I don't know about Seekers of the Ashen Crown - another DM is running it for us, but we haven't gotten very far yet. But I think he might point things out correctly - a long dungeon crawl doesn't work so well in 4E. Combats are big, complex, long, exciting, challenging, but 5 in a row before anything new happens story-wise is not a good idea. A &quot;dungeon crawl&quot; that works might be best replicated by having one or two encounters span an entire dungeon - to keep it challenging, the PCs do not get any short or extended rests. This way, the PCs fight individual enemies (the occassional Oger or Troll) or small groups of enemies in skirmishes, moving on to the next. A typical &quot;extended encounter&quot; might consist of- 4 Minions and one regular monster (guard post at the dungeon entrance?)- 2 regular monsters (monster patrol)- 1 Trap or Hazard - 1 Elite monster (A troll or Ogre perhaps, in his own lair or guarding an important area)- 2 regular monsters with 4 minions. (A local &quot;underboss&quot;)This would be the equivalent of fighting 10 standard monsters and probably be a very challenging encounter (party level +5) if they were all met at the same time, but if you stretch out their appeareances (without granting benefits of a short or extended rest), the action economy will make it a lot easier. If you build a dungeon crawl out of 2-3 such encounters, it will probably feel a little like it used to in the &quot;good ol' dungeon crawling fools day&quot;.But if you build your dungeon with 6-8 normal encounters, it will feel more like a combat game.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Mustrum_Ridcully, post: 5014182, member: 710"] I don't know about Seekers of the Ashen Crown - another DM is running it for us, but we haven't gotten very far yet. But I think he might point things out correctly - a long dungeon crawl doesn't work so well in 4E. Combats are big, complex, long, exciting, challenging, but 5 in a row before anything new happens story-wise is not a good idea. A "dungeon crawl" that works might be best replicated by having one or two encounters span an entire dungeon - to keep it challenging, the PCs do not get any short or extended rests. This way, the PCs fight individual enemies (the occassional Oger or Troll) or small groups of enemies in skirmishes, moving on to the next. A typical "extended encounter" might consist of - 4 Minions and one regular monster (guard post at the dungeon entrance?) - 2 regular monsters (monster patrol) - 1 Trap or Hazard - 1 Elite monster (A troll or Ogre perhaps, in his own lair or guarding an important area) - 2 regular monsters with 4 minions. (A local "underboss") This would be the equivalent of fighting 10 standard monsters and probably be a very challenging encounter (party level +5) if they were all met at the same time, but if you stretch out their appeareances (without granting benefits of a short or extended rest), the action economy will make it a lot easier. If you build a dungeon crawl out of 2-3 such encounters, it will probably feel a little like it used to in the "good ol' dungeon crawling fools day". But if you build your dungeon with 6-8 normal encounters, it will feel more like a combat game. [/QUOTE]

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