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<blockquote data-quote="Tav_Behemoth" data-source="post: 5014789" data-attributes="member: 18017">OD&amp;D is good for fast combat and fast rolling up new characters when the others die, as happens with enjoyable regularity. Not so much for leveling up - depending on which version of the rules you use (original three books = faster, Greyhawk supplement = slower), how much treasure you place, and how often PCs die you're looking at somewhere between &quot;slow&quot; and &quot;glacial&quot;. My players routinely cry out for adding more house-rules for faster leveling to the ones I use already.Good points, Dasuul!Jhaelen, &quot;a sequence of relatively small, enclosed areas&quot; is what is called &quot;lairs&quot; when folks talk about megadungeons. The idea of a megadungeon is that it is an all-encompassing environment; the central activities are surviving in this hostile territory (avoiding wandering monsters, finding safe places to rest, avoiding traps and areas of overwhelming danger) and exploring it (mapping, finding ways in and out, navigating from one place to another, finding treasure and hauling it to the surface). From Philotomy's excellent article on the related topic of <a href="http://www.philotomy.com/#dungeon" target="_blank">dungeon as mystic underworld</a>:The games that were first associated with this style of dungeon play don't distinguish between combat encounters and everything else the way 4E does. Running from a fast and furious fight into another encounter which you sealed into a room with a web spell and then desperately searched for secret doors to escape before the web wore off an hour later was all part of the flow of gameplay, and meant that there wasn't the kind of separation between &quot;encounter area&quot; and &quot;corridors connecting the lairs&quot; that (IMO) 4E mechanics like &quot;until end of encounter&quot; create.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Tav_Behemoth, post: 5014789, member: 18017"] OD&D is good for fast combat and fast rolling up new characters when the others die, as happens with enjoyable regularity. Not so much for leveling up - depending on which version of the rules you use (original three books = faster, Greyhawk supplement = slower), how much treasure you place, and how often PCs die you're looking at somewhere between "slow" and "glacial". My players routinely cry out for adding more house-rules for faster leveling to the ones I use already. Good points, Dasuul! Jhaelen, "a sequence of relatively small, enclosed areas" is what is called "lairs" when folks talk about megadungeons. The idea of a megadungeon is that it is an all-encompassing environment; the central activities are surviving in this hostile territory (avoiding wandering monsters, finding safe places to rest, avoiding traps and areas of overwhelming danger) and exploring it (mapping, finding ways in and out, navigating from one place to another, finding treasure and hauling it to the surface). From Philotomy's excellent article on the related topic of [url=http://www.philotomy.com/#dungeon]dungeon as mystic underworld[/url]: The games that were first associated with this style of dungeon play don't distinguish between combat encounters and everything else the way 4E does. Running from a fast and furious fight into another encounter which you sealed into a room with a web spell and then desperately searched for secret doors to escape before the web wore off an hour later was all part of the flow of gameplay, and meant that there wasn't the kind of separation between "encounter area" and "corridors connecting the lairs" that (IMO) 4E mechanics like "until end of encounter" create. [/QUOTE]

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