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<blockquote data-quote="Ravellion" data-source="post: 5075189" data-attributes="member: 538">That doesn't match my experience. I am currently DMing 21st level 4e, and combats now take about the same time as when the PCs were 5th level, which is to say, roughly an hour. I do occasionaly have shorter fights, but also a few longer ones. I'll give you that low level 4e takes longer than low level 3e, but in my experience 3e combat length was a rising curve every level&nbsp; (extra iterative attacks, quickened spells, summons etc. all increasing the duration of combat at higher levels), and 4e stays flat at around an hour. Conditions do not lead to major slow down, as through use, we have learned them by heart. Besides, stunned creatures' turns go by quickly <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile&nbsp; &nbsp; :)"&nbsp; data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />.To the OP, I'll echo the sentiment that prep is as fast at high as it is at low levels. However, I am not happy with 4e epic combat. It is very hard to even threaten, let alone kill, a 21st+ PC. If I do another 4e campaign, I'll try and finish it between 16th and 20th levels.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Ravellion, post: 5075189, member: 538"] That doesn't match my experience. I am currently DMing 21st level 4e, and combats now take about the same time as when the PCs were 5th level, which is to say, roughly an hour. I do occasionaly have shorter fights, but also a few longer ones. I'll give you that low level 4e takes longer than low level 3e, but in my experience 3e combat length was a rising curve every level (extra iterative attacks, quickened spells, summons etc. all increasing the duration of combat at higher levels), and 4e stays flat at around an hour. Conditions do not lead to major slow down, as through use, we have learned them by heart. Besides, stunned creatures' turns go by quickly :). To the OP, I'll echo the sentiment that prep is as fast at high as it is at low levels. However, I am not happy with 4e epic combat. It is very hard to even threaten, let alone kill, a 21st+ PC. If I do another 4e campaign, I'll try and finish it between 16th and 20th levels. [/QUOTE]

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