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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Mal Malenkirk" data-source="post: 4099844" data-attributes="member: 834">Of course they aren't balanced for PvP.  It would go against basic design elements such as making the defender tougher than than other classes so they survive better on the front line.---Of the six 1st level PCs we have seen, the fighter Kathra would win the most scenarios.The main reason is her combat challenge ability that gives her an AoO against even someone who 'shift' away from her (apparently the equivalent of the 5 feet step).  And if she hits with the AoO, she prevents the movement.  As a result, if she gets in melee (and if necessary she can move up to three time her speed thanks to an action point)  she can prevent the target from moving away which would be serious trouble, if not a death knell, for a controller or a striker.  And there's no question she can outpunch the cleric.  She can also outpunch the paladin but this might have more to do with the fact that the paladin is a halfling than anything else...  Dwarf is optimum for a defender, halfling... not so much.  If she was fighting a human paladin with a higer damage output, the bolstering strike power could be a real pain, able to make the paladin last one more round and outpunch her, perhaps.  It'd be be really a flip coin toss.Finally, in the fighter favour, her daily power is 'reliable' and therefore she'll pull it off in a fight more often than the others.Given favourable terrain, the ranger would also win his fair share.  As long as he can make it difficult to reach him, his damage output is impressive.  His HP, not so much.  But the warlock is the one who could the most reliably beat the fighter IMO if she gets lucky with her initiative and her eyebite and frostbite powers.  If she wins INI and then pull off Eyebite and then move, she's inflicted 2D6+4 (Using the curse) and is still safe for the round because is invisible to the fighter (I don't know the rules to notice someone invisible but the notice of the fighter is only +2).  If that happens, she's in good position to win this thing.  Especially since she has a lot of HP.---</blockquote>

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