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<blockquote data-quote="Infiniti2000" data-source="post: 4247340" data-attributes="member: 31734">I totally agree it's a valid criticism.&nbsp; I guess maybe I should clarify my perspective.&nbsp; I care less about whether the editing on the product is perfect and more about the adventure layout and the introduction to a 4E game.&nbsp; In both cases (so far), I think they exceeded my expectations.&nbsp; The layout is significantly better than Sunless Citadel, Forge of Fury, etc. (albeit with some editing-related issues like item prices and what those items are and references to the PHB).&nbsp; And, the feel for 4E is awesome; however, I am obviously somewhat jaded by the excerpts (especially magic item).I made up my BBEG for the end of the RttToEE campaign (see spoiler) and it took me many hours.&nbsp; First, I had to decide what he would be, which was no easy task counting the sheer number of books I have.&nbsp; Then, working up the stats and magic items took me the longest time.&nbsp; While at some lower level of my consciousness I enjoyed the tweaking of numbers and items, it really was a waste of time.&nbsp; It makes it even more aggravating knowing I could've spent all that time for 5 minutes of &quot;fun&quot; as he gets popped in the first round.&nbsp; Sure, the players might have a load of &quot;fun&quot;, but not equivalent to the time spent.I have a saying about parenting, &quot;It's all about the kids.&quot;&nbsp; Just about everything you do when being a parent is with an eye towards your kids, making them more happy, protecting for them, providing for them, etc.&nbsp; Well, in D&amp;D it's not all about the players.&nbsp;&nbsp; <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink&nbsp; &nbsp; ;)"&nbsp; data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" /> [sblock] Unariq VolTalsimol, the first First, a CR25 Ulitharid (from Lords of Madness).&nbsp; [/sblock]</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Infiniti2000, post: 4247340, member: 31734"] I totally agree it's a valid criticism. I guess maybe I should clarify my perspective. I care less about whether the editing on the product is perfect and more about the adventure layout and the introduction to a 4E game. In both cases (so far), I think they exceeded my expectations. The layout is significantly better than Sunless Citadel, Forge of Fury, etc. (albeit with some editing-related issues like item prices and what those items are and references to the PHB). And, the feel for 4E is awesome; however, I am obviously somewhat jaded by the excerpts (especially magic item). I made up my BBEG for the end of the RttToEE campaign (see spoiler) and it took me many hours. First, I had to decide what he would be, which was no easy task counting the sheer number of books I have. Then, working up the stats and magic items took me the longest time. While at some lower level of my consciousness I enjoyed the tweaking of numbers and items, it really was a waste of time. It makes it even more aggravating knowing I could've spent all that time for 5 minutes of "fun" as he gets popped in the first round. Sure, the players might have a load of "fun", but not equivalent to the time spent. I have a saying about parenting, "It's all about the kids." Just about everything you do when being a parent is with an eye towards your kids, making them more happy, protecting for them, providing for them, etc. Well, in D&D it's [B]not [/B]all about the players. ;) [sblock] Unariq VolTalsimol, the first First, a CR25 Ulitharid (from Lords of Madness). [/sblock] [/QUOTE]

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