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<blockquote data-quote="vagabundo" data-source="post: 4553705" data-attributes="member: 55864">It's more than that. A fighter at that level - and I'm going from a rusty old memory here - most likely has a flaming sword, girdle and other magical items, possibly magic boots.He would most likely be able to lift and throw large boulders, possibly fly or move very fast, take enormous amount of damage that would kill 20 normal men.Sounds pretty super to me, now I dont see how 4e really changes this except that the powers are more inherant in the class, rather than the magic items that characters were expected to pick up along their adventuring career.Moving on to 3e and using the skill system/min-maxing things could&nbsp; start getting supernatural between levels 3 to 6. Acomplishing feats of strenght or skill that is not possible in our world.I feel it is unfair to label 4e&nbsp; as the &quot;super&quot; edition when all editions of the game suffer something similar. Maybe that was not your intention, but it seemed that way.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="vagabundo, post: 4553705, member: 55864"] It's more than that. A fighter at that level - and I'm going from a rusty old memory here - most likely has a flaming sword, girdle and other magical items, possibly magic boots. He would most likely be able to lift and throw large boulders, possibly fly or move very fast, take enormous amount of damage that would kill 20 normal men. Sounds pretty super to me, now I dont see how 4e really changes this except that the powers are more inherant in the class, rather than the magic items that characters were expected to pick up along their adventuring career. Moving on to 3e and using the skill system/min-maxing things could start getting supernatural between levels 3 to 6. Acomplishing feats of strenght or skill that is not possible in our world. I feel it is unfair to label 4e as the "super" edition when all editions of the game suffer something similar. Maybe that was not your intention, but it seemed that way. [/QUOTE]

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