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<blockquote data-quote="mmadsen" data-source="post: 4556732" data-attributes="member: 1645">(I have no idea what the added superpower of 'F' might entail, but the Witch King of Angmar appears to have around four hit dice -- and a low AC? -- by that interpretation.)Anyway, your interpretation misses the point.&nbsp; Some 4E exploits are perfectly reasonable for &quot;mundane&quot; adventurers, while some are not.&nbsp; There's nothing flashy or borderline magical about doing 3[W] damage or dazing a foe -- although it is quite meta-gamey to declare where and when these things happen once per encounter or once per day.Again,&nbsp; some 4E exploits are perfectly reasonable for &quot;mundane&quot; adventurers, while some are not.&nbsp; Using Hawkeye as an example of a superhero is pretty silly, considering he's meant to be a mundane human of exceptional skill.&nbsp; Using Batman would be a similarly bad example.I don't know what an upjumped farmer is supposed to be, but that passage describes a miraculous shot by an excellent archer.&nbsp; Real-life archers have demonstrated an ability to shoot coins out of the air, so it's not like it's a magical power with no possible &quot;mundane&quot; explanation.Again,&nbsp; some 4E exploits are perfectly reasonable for &quot;mundane&quot; adventurers, while some are not.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="mmadsen, post: 4556732, member: 1645"] (I have no idea what [i]the added superpower of 'F'[/i] might entail, but the Witch King of Angmar appears to have around four hit dice -- and a low AC? -- by that interpretation.) Anyway, your interpretation misses the point. Some 4E exploits are perfectly reasonable for "mundane" adventurers, while some are not. There's nothing flashy or borderline magical about doing [i]3[W][/i] damage or [i]dazing[/i] a foe -- although it is quite meta-gamey to declare where and when these things happen once per encounter or once per day. Again, some 4E exploits are perfectly reasonable for "mundane" adventurers, while some are not. Using Hawkeye as an example of a [i]super[/i]hero is pretty silly, considering he's meant to be a mundane human of exceptional skill. Using Batman would be a similarly bad example. I don't know what an [i]upjumped farmer[/i] is supposed to be, but that passage describes a miraculous shot by an excellent archer. Real-life archers have demonstrated an ability to shoot coins out of the air, so it's not like it's a magical power with no possible "mundane" explanation. Again, some 4E exploits are perfectly reasonable for "mundane" adventurers, while some are not. [/QUOTE]

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