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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Raven Crowking" data-source="post: 4557007" data-attributes="member: 18280">If we are talking about "mundane" as "non-magical" as opposed to "common", I can certainly call Conan mundane.  Legolas and Aragorn, no.  Gimli, yes.  Frodo, Sam, Merry, and Pippin, yes.  Boromir, yes.Well, I'm not sure how to parse your response, so let me ask exactly what you mean.Is the problem that I "come here"?  Is EN World now a shrine to 4e in your opinion that can hold no dissent?  I will give you the benefit of the doubt, and assume that this is not so.Is the problem that I can't see Power X as existing without being magical/mystical in nature?  Frankly, it doesn't matter if 2,000 posters give me 4,000,000,000 answers if none of them actually answer my objection.  And this has nothing to do with being "disingenious and willfully obstinante", it has to do with what works for me and what does not.To give an example not related to D&D, if I was to give you a recipe for chicken that you did not like, and dozens of posters gave you dozens of reasons why they like it, would you suddenly like that chicken recipe?  I guess the answer is "maybe", and the "maybe" would depend very much on whether or not those posters said something that made you reevaluate why you didn't like the recipe.  And even if you did reevalute the recipe, it doesn't mean you'd suddenly like it.  Seeing the recipe from my viewpoint might not change yours.  You might even think (gasp) that your tastes are more important to you than mine are.Perhaps, for example, you are a vegetarian.  Then, perhaps, a poster might say something that makes you think, "Hmmm, perhaps I am wrong about this whole vegetarian thing."  But not thinking the same isn't disingenous, nor is it obstinant.Really, in order to successfully answer an objection, you first must understand that objection.  You have to know why Frosty doesn't want to stay in Florida over the summer before you have any chance whatsoever of convincing Frosty that he is wrong.  And, sometimes, just because you love the Florida sun, Frosty might be right.  He might not be you.  He might be looking at different things.  He might not think that the word "martial" is enough to make something not feel like it is magical.If someone is pretty certain that Conan is non-magical, saying Conan is not mundane isn't going to make that person suddenly do a 180 and decide that 4e feels just like a Conan story.  Maybe 4e does feel just like a Conan story to you.  If so, your experience isn't universal.RC</blockquote>

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