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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Imaro" data-source="post: 4558421" data-attributes="member: 48965">Okay, how am I saying their design was bad in any way when 99.9% (yes this is exaggeration) of people who love 4e have already said simulation was given small, if any, consideration. What I'm saying is that heavy doses of narrative control and simulation probably were not a concern for them in designing and developing 4e.  Well is it gamist or narrative driven?... personally I think it's purely gamist, and I can accept it as such in the same way I can accept the Cadwallon rpg... but I also feel that many fans are pounding the red circle of gamism into the square peg of narrative based gaming... and was wondering if the designers had commented on this or if there was anything explicit concerning it in the books...sorry this got to you so badly.</blockquote>