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<blockquote data-quote="Andor" data-source="post: 4558460" data-attributes="member: 1879">Actually I don't see anything in forced movement that requires the target be mobile. All it says is &quot;Forced Movement doesn't count against a target's ability to move on it's turn. A target's speed is irrelevant to the distance you move it.&quot; So a speed of 0 or '-' should still be subject to such powers. It's also clearly stated that you can force move someone off a cliff.&nbsp; If this was a wizard or swordmage power this discussion would never have happened. There would be no doubt that an invisible, silenced wizard could slide a purple fungus. It's only the narrative disconnect that follows from having such a power come from a supposedly mundane source that causes a problem. *shrug* If you have no problem with a cleric of a good god vampireing hp from foes and loaning them to friends, good for you. If you can imagine a fighter knowing an insult so vile it will force a golem to disobey it's programming and attack the fighter instead of the mage it was ordered to kill, also good for you.If you can imagine both those things yet not imagine where someone else might perceive the disconnect between the gamist and narrativist elements in the design of those powers...&nbsp; I dunno.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Andor, post: 4558460, member: 1879"] Actually I don't see anything in forced movement that requires the target be mobile. All it says is "Forced Movement doesn't count against a target's ability to move on it's turn. A target's speed is irrelevant to the distance you move it." So a speed of 0 or '-' should still be subject to such powers. It's also clearly stated that you can force move someone off a cliff. If this was a wizard or swordmage power this discussion would never have happened. There would be no doubt that an invisible, silenced wizard could slide a purple fungus. It's only the narrative disconnect that follows from having such a power come from a supposedly mundane source that causes a problem. *shrug* If you have no problem with a cleric of a good god vampireing hp from foes and loaning them to friends, good for you. If you can imagine a fighter knowing an insult so vile it will force a golem to disobey it's programming and attack the fighter instead of the mage it was ordered to kill, also good for you. If you can imagine both those things yet not imagine where someone else might perceive the disconnect between the gamist and narrativist elements in the design of those powers... I dunno. [/QUOTE]

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