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<blockquote data-quote="thecasualoblivion" data-source="post: 4559578" data-attributes="member: 59096">I can accept the possibility. I am just pointing out that the existance and posting habits of willfully obtuse madmen(and we have some) are generally the reason you see some of the pro-4E responses that you see. Its called an edition war for a reason. Regardless of a person's individual intent, there are competing agendas, pro and anti 4E, that have taken on a life of their own. It takes such a herculean effort to distance yourself from these agendas that most people don't bother to do so. Some people try to say that they aren't part of it, while their words aren't significantly different than the Edition War attacks. Reasonable dialogue and rhetorical violence in this case are very close and difficult to distinguish. Basically, what I'm trying to say is that if you post in the edition war, you are a part of it, whether you want to be or not. There are no innocents aside from people who do not post.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="thecasualoblivion, post: 4559578, member: 59096"] I can accept the possibility. I am just pointing out that the existance and posting habits of willfully obtuse madmen(and we have some) are generally the reason you see some of the pro-4E responses that you see. Its called an edition war for a reason. Regardless of a person's individual intent, there are competing agendas, pro and anti 4E, that have taken on a life of their own. It takes such a herculean effort to distance yourself from these agendas that most people don't bother to do so. Some people try to say that they aren't part of it, while their words aren't significantly different than the Edition War attacks. Reasonable dialogue and rhetorical violence in this case are very close and difficult to distinguish. Basically, what I'm trying to say is that if you post in the edition war, you are a part of it, whether you want to be or not. There are no innocents aside from people who do not post. [/QUOTE]

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