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<blockquote data-quote="Olgar Shiverstone" data-source="post: 4298479" data-attributes="member: 5868">How critical do you think it is to have magic items in the PHB (done for the first time in D&amp;D in 4E)?Personally, I'm a bit irked that some long-time classes got left out (or, er, deferred), leaving a few niches under serviced (one one controller class, for example).&nbsp; That's particularly so when in addition two races were added that I could care less about.&nbsp; The PHB is at 320 pages, though, so there wouldn't have been room to drop the new races in favor of new classes, as each class takes up 13-15 pages and the races are only about 2 pages each.Then I looked at the DMG.&nbsp; For the same price as the PHB, it's almost 100 pages shorter at 228 pages.&nbsp; If the magic items section (~28 pages of the PHB) had been moved to the DMG like it was in 1E-3E, that would have freed up room for two more classes in the PHB!<img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f621.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":mad:" title="Mad&nbsp; &nbsp; :mad:"&nbsp; data-smilie="4"data-shortname=":mad:" /></blockquote>

[QUOTE="Olgar Shiverstone, post: 4298479, member: 5868"] How critical do you think it is to have magic items in the PHB (done for the first time in D&D in 4E)? Personally, I'm a bit irked that some long-time classes got left out (or, er, deferred), leaving a few niches under serviced (one one controller class, for example). That's particularly so when in addition two races were added that I could care less about. The PHB is at 320 pages, though, so there wouldn't have been room to drop the new races in favor of new classes, as each class takes up 13-15 pages and the races are only about 2 pages each. Then I looked at the DMG. For the same price as the PHB, it's almost 100 pages shorter at 228 pages. If the magic items section (~28 pages of the PHB) had been moved to the DMG like it was in 1E-3E, that would have freed up room for two more classes in the PHB! :mad: [/QUOTE]

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