D&D 4E 4E borrowing from C&C?

[Hairfoot]

Since wild speculation is the order of the day, I'll have a stab, too. Having recently delved into Castles & Crusades, I was surprised to find that the prospective skill rules for 4E bear a striking similarity to the ability resolution system used in C&C.

The skill system for 4E is apparently based on the Star Wars Saga edition. Yesterday in another thread, Drothgery explained the Saga rules thus: "Your modifier for untrained skills is 1/2 level + ability modifier. Your modifier for trained skills is 1/2 level + ability modifier + 5."

This sounds very similar to C&C's method of handling skills and class abilities, for which the modifier is level + ability mod for non-prime skills, and level + ability mod + 6 for prime skills.

Mere chance, or is WotC borrowing heavily from successful competitors? Not that there's anything wrong with that, other than causing smug satisfaction in C&C converts.

 

[Charwoman Gene]

Mere chance, or is WotC borrowing heavily from successful competitors? Not that there's anything wrong with that, other than causing smug satisfaction in C&C converts.

Convergent Evolution. Is adding a lump bonus to trained skill instead of skill points THAT amazing?

 

[Jim DelRosso]

I was under the impression that C&C didn't actually have skills, but rather Prime and non-Prime stats.

 

[Korgoth]

I was under the impression that C&C didn't actually have skills, but rather Prime and non-Prime stats.

Right, but to do what you would normally do with a skill "I try to find if the orcs left any tracks in the ground" you roll 1d20 + stat modifier + 6 (if it is a prime stat) + level (if what you are trying to do is relevant to your character class).

 

[Scott_Rouse]

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[Charwoman Gene]

I heard this awesome cover of that Led Zeppelin song Traveling Riverside Blues by this guy Robert Johson yesterday. Check it out.

YOUR ZEPPELIN WAYS DO NOT COVER YOUR RUSE, CANNIBAL!

 

[Hairfoot]

Convergent Evolution.

But I'm a gaming creationist. How does this fit in with the Divine Plan?

I heard this awesome cover of that Led Zeppelin song Traveling Riverside Blues by this guy Robert Johson yesterday. Check it out.

Ah, you mean 4E is the heavy metal version of C&C?

 

[Patryn of Elvenshae]

The skill system for 4E is apparently based on the Star Wars Saga edition. Yesterday in another thread, Drothgery explained the Saga rules thus: "Your modifier for untrained skills is 1/2 level + ability modifier. Your modifier for trained skills is 1/2 level + ability modifier + 5."

Plus another 5 if you're focused in a skill, plus the ability to reroll 1/day if you take that talent or are the member of an appropriate race, or take 10 if you're a member of a different race, etc.

It's not quite as simple as all that.

 

[Treebore]

Plus another 5 if you're focused in a skill, plus the ability to reroll 1/day if you take that talent or are the member of an appropriate race, or take 10 if you're a member of a different race, etc.

It's not quite as simple as all that.

Oh. Well, the good thing is that it is that simple with C&C. It does give me hope that 4E will be even easier to convert over to C&C than 3E is. Not that 3E is all that hard, since you just "cut away" won't you don't want to keep. Then do 2 to 4 other things, depending on what you keep.

 

[Treebore]

Are there C&C players here that don't go to the TLG boards? If so should I advertise my I6 Ravenloft game to be played online via SKYPE ( a live talking free program) to be played in October? I need 4 more players for group 3. Meaning advertise here on ENWorlds gamers seeking gamers?