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<blockquote data-quote="Mercurius" data-source="post: 5789835" data-attributes="member: 59082"><p>No, I haven't. Why do you ask?</p><p></p><p>I did sign up for the playtest; I'm assuming that we won't see anything until after D&D Experience. Or have I missed something?</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>What I mean is "having" to use a power, even an at-will power, and operating through the system of powers rather than narration first. I know, one can use basic attack, and most at-wills are essentially basic attacks with a bit of flair, but it is still a matter of taking a pre-set path rather than just improvising. Now I assume that someone has been able to use 4E in such a way that narration comes first and powers are applied afterwards, but I think it is difficult and that the rules don't easily facilitate it. </p><p></p><p>One more thing to add. In my experience, 4E more than any other version of D&D, creates a context in which the player plays his character much like a game piece; in other words, the default mode is to be one step removed, and not "be in" the character. In other words, in 4E it is easy to say "I use Attack on the Run" rather than "I run up to the opponent, firing two arrows."</p><p></p><p>In other words, I'd like to get back to an approach in which narration comes first and rules are applied only after the fact; I remain skeptical as to whether 4E can easily facilitate that without major tweaking. </p><p></p><p>In some ways I see 4E as being like a group of chamber musicians getting together and figuring which of a few dozen pieces of music they want to play. They've got a lot of choices but in the end they're all pre-configured choices and it isn't part of their idiom to to say "Let's just jam." This has been lacking in 4E, at least for me. In other words, if 4E is tightly written and played chamber music, I want something more akin to jazz.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Mercurius, post: 5789835, member: 59082"] No, I haven't. Why do you ask? I did sign up for the playtest; I'm assuming that we won't see anything until after D&D Experience. Or have I missed something? What I mean is "having" to use a power, even an at-will power, and operating through the system of powers rather than narration first. I know, one can use basic attack, and most at-wills are essentially basic attacks with a bit of flair, but it is still a matter of taking a pre-set path rather than just improvising. Now I assume that someone has been able to use 4E in such a way that narration comes first and powers are applied afterwards, but I think it is difficult and that the rules don't easily facilitate it. One more thing to add. In my experience, 4E more than any other version of D&D, creates a context in which the player plays his character much like a game piece; in other words, the default mode is to be one step removed, and not "be in" the character. In other words, in 4E it is easy to say "I use Attack on the Run" rather than "I run up to the opponent, firing two arrows." In other words, I'd like to get back to an approach in which narration comes first and rules are applied only after the fact; I remain skeptical as to whether 4E can easily facilitate that without major tweaking. In some ways I see 4E as being like a group of chamber musicians getting together and figuring which of a few dozen pieces of music they want to play. They've got a lot of choices but in the end they're all pre-configured choices and it isn't part of their idiom to to say "Let's just jam." This has been lacking in 4E, at least for me. In other words, if 4E is tightly written and played chamber music, I want something more akin to jazz. [/QUOTE]
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