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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Mercule" data-source="post: 5110714" data-attributes="member: 5100">That's rather what I experienced with 3e, except that my group is whatever the opposite of min-max is.  Regardless, I think the emphasis that 3e and 4e place on balance is a huge chunk of what slows things down for me.  I winged pretty much everything in 1e and 2e, and balance was what I made of it.  3e was both balance-focused and complex, while 4e is balance-intense and simple (comparatively).  4e also doesn't have any handy-dandy treasure tables like every other version of the game has and WotC can't be bothered to actually write complete modules (i.e. with treasure), which increases prep time.So, for me, my 4e prep time is huge if compared to 1e, but quite mild if compared to 3e.  YMMV, of course, depending on your pressure points.  I'm starting to realize, though, that one of the biggest handicaps I have for prepping 3e and 4e is the design for certain definitions of balance assumptions that go into the books.</blockquote>