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<blockquote data-quote="doctorhook" data-source="post: 4938767" data-attributes="member: 58401">Warlords have powers than can move or shift all of their allies around the battlefield, move all of his enemies around the battlefield, or grant a healing surge to all of his allies, in addition to some seriously fat attack bonuses. Even without his allies explicitly agreeing to follow his &quot;orders&quot;, those effects imply a &quot;command&quot; of the battlefield. (One could argue that, in-game, the Warlord's allies are implicitly following at least some of his &quot;orders&quot;/tactical directions whenever they claim any kind of bonus from one of his powers. Narrative shouldn't be ignored.) You're seeing hostility where there is none. I'm simply offering counterpoint to your arguments against Warlords. It is possible that you both dislike them because you don't understand them, and I'm just trying to help you see what I see in them.FWIW, I completely agree that it takes a certain kind of person to enjoy Leader classes.Looking for commonality is exactly what we've been doing. Folks are voting against Leaders, but not all Leaders; Clerics and Bards (both &quot;traditional&quot; classes) aren't getting even close to the level of attention Artificers, Warlords, and Shamans are. Even among non-Leaders, votes are pooling around the newer classes and the classes that changed most in 4E. This suggests a commonality.I agree, it probably will be a Striker who wins.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="doctorhook, post: 4938767, member: 58401"] Warlords have powers than can move or shift all of their allies around the battlefield, move all of his enemies around the battlefield, or grant a healing surge to all of his allies, in addition to some seriously fat attack bonuses. Even without his allies explicitly agreeing to follow his "orders", those effects imply a "command" of the battlefield. (One could argue that, in-game, the Warlord's allies are implicitly following at least some of his "orders"/tactical directions whenever they claim any kind of bonus from one of his powers. Narrative shouldn't be ignored.) You're seeing hostility where there is none. I'm simply offering counterpoint to your arguments against Warlords. It is possible that you both dislike them because you don't understand them, and I'm just trying to help you see what I see in them. FWIW, I completely agree that it takes a certain kind of person to enjoy Leader classes. Looking for commonality is exactly what we've been doing. Folks are voting against Leaders, but not all Leaders; Clerics and Bards (both "traditional" classes) aren't getting even close to the level of attention Artificers, Warlords, and Shamans are. Even among non-Leaders, votes are pooling around the newer classes and the classes that changed most in 4E. This suggests a commonality. I agree, it probably will be a Striker who wins. [/QUOTE]

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