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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Tallifer" data-source="post: 4946832" data-attributes="member: 84661">You are absolutely correct. The Gygaxian cleric does not exist in myths or literature. That is why I consider him just a variant of the holy warrior. (In fact the Gygaxian cleric is definitely a paladin: plate armour and a mace. At least the 4th edition cleric can be a scimitar-wielding ghazi of the jihad or something else.) I think that your point  also supports why I believe people are mistaken who complain that the cleric does not suit their conception of a priest. The simple fact we must face is that playing a priest will not usually entail playing a D&D "cleric." If one wants to roleplay a priest, then he should roleplay a priest as a background. Then choose a class which matches his concept. If one wants to play a cleric, then he and his dungeon master should think hard about what that means in their world. Is he a paladin? Is he is an especially pious fighter? Or does his religion in fact endorse heavily armoured, mace-wielding, undead-smiting freelance adventurers as priests? (As you can guess, in my world, priests pray and heal in their parish. And when I play a "cleric" in another campaign, I just reflavour his title as "templar.")</blockquote>