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<blockquote data-quote="Yaarel" data-source="post: 7619272" data-attributes="member: 58172"><p>To reduce to three abilities, would mean using Dexterity checks for library research, or alternatively using Intelligence for jumping and grappling.</p><p></p><p>Besides, the 4e stat ‘Passive Perception’ is defacto a routine defense. 4e really has four defenses.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>The consolidation of abilities down to four is fully compatible with existing 4e material.</p><p></p><p>For example, simply deleting Constitution and Wisdom works well for most (all?) monster stat blocks.</p><p></p><p>Strength and Constitution tend to be near identical. And the elimination of Wisdom leaves its incongruent aspects of Intelligence and Charisma in place.</p><p></p><p>The difference is, there is a one-to-one identity between the four abilities and the four defenses.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>The imbalance among the six ability scores is a perennial complaint. It can only be fixed from the bottom up, because the abilities are fundamental to every other mechanic in the gaming system.</p><p></p><p>It is ok if a clone avoids elements that are known to be broken. The spirit of ‘4.5’ is authentic 4e. 4e itself was continually in flux, and the ability to continually update errata was inherent in its design philosophy.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Yaarel, post: 7619272, member: 58172"] To reduce to three abilities, would mean using Dexterity checks for library research, or alternatively using Intelligence for jumping and grappling. Besides, the 4e stat ‘Passive Perception’ is defacto a routine defense. 4e really has four defenses. The consolidation of abilities down to four is fully compatible with existing 4e material. For example, simply deleting Constitution and Wisdom works well for most (all?) monster stat blocks. Strength and Constitution tend to be near identical. And the elimination of Wisdom leaves its incongruent aspects of Intelligence and Charisma in place. The difference is, there is a one-to-one identity between the four abilities and the four defenses. The imbalance among the six ability scores is a perennial complaint. It can only be fixed from the bottom up, because the abilities are fundamental to every other mechanic in the gaming system. It is ok if a clone avoids elements that are known to be broken. The spirit of ‘4.5’ is authentic 4e. 4e itself was continually in flux, and the ability to continually update errata was inherent in its design philosophy. [/QUOTE]
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