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<blockquote data-quote="Yaarel" data-source="post: 7625826" data-attributes="member: 58172">I might do something like this after all for expertise.But since the average of 1d4 is 2 (rather 2.5), I am unsure how it helps the math.If someone has ‘expertise’ with a sword, it seems imbalancing in combat if adding a +1d12 expertise bonus to the attack by a ‘master’ swordfighter on top of whose proficiency is already +6.As mentioned earlier, I am tentatively going with expertise being a reroll of the d20. In other words, this makes the expert more reliable, but less than superhuman.Alternatively, the Bard routinely adds a +1d6 and the Bless spell a +1d4, and no one seems to be complaining about this (too much).If going this route, the Bard and the Bless would explicitly be an ‘expertise bonus’ thus unable to stack with an expertise skill bonus, if any.Again the balanced math for expertise boils down to the possibility of ‘sword expertise’.Note, the Archery fighting style effectively adds a +2 expertise bonus to bow attacks. This can easily be a +1d4 for players who like to roll dice. By itself, the Archery bonus is no problem. But in combination with other bonuses, there are number of complaints. So the Foursome system needs to eliminate the ‘untyped’ bonuses, and assign one from a mathematically manageable handful of bonus types. Same type cannot stack with itself.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Yaarel, post: 7625826, member: 58172"] I might do something like this after all for expertise. But since the average of 1d4 is 2 (rather 2.5), I am unsure how it helps the math. If someone has ‘expertise’ with a sword, it seems imbalancing in combat if adding a +1d12 expertise bonus to the attack by a ‘master’ swordfighter on top of whose proficiency is already +6. As mentioned earlier, I am tentatively going with expertise being a reroll of the d20. In other words, this makes the expert more reliable, but less than superhuman. Alternatively, the Bard routinely adds a +1d6 and the Bless spell a +1d4, and no one seems to be complaining about this (too much). If going this route, the Bard and the Bless would explicitly be an ‘expertise bonus’ thus unable to stack with an expertise skill bonus, if any. Again the balanced math for expertise boils down to the possibility of ‘sword expertise’. Note, the Archery fighting style effectively adds a +2 expertise bonus to bow attacks. This can easily be a +1d4 for players who like to roll dice. By itself, the Archery bonus is no problem. But in combination with other bonuses, there are number of complaints. So the Foursome system needs to eliminate the ‘untyped’ bonuses, and assign one from a mathematically manageable handful of bonus types. Same type cannot stack with itself. [/QUOTE]

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