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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Garthanos" data-source="post: 7628517" data-attributes="member: 82504">How about I want the larger than life paradigm back...It was pointed out in D&D (sic) doing the impossible meant using a spell. 5e characters feel petty in comparison to 4e... even moderately levelled ones <ol> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">Heroic tier: Levels 1-10.<ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Characters may have impressive skills, but operate on a basically human level.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Adventures take place in local environments - dungeons, towns, forests.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Threats are mostly part of the local ecology, or summoned or created. (Natural creatures, other sapient species, created mechanisms, plants.)</li> </ul></li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">Paragon tier: Levels 11-20<ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Characters now have extreme, near-superhuman levels of their lead skills. They can accomplish things no ordinary human could (and make very difficult skill DC rolls!)</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Adventures take place in a wider arena. They may save entire kingdoms, not just local villages. Their growing reputations will make them major players, even if birth and rank don't. They might lead guilds, be involved in court politics, or command soldiers.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Enemies also exist on a larger scale. Extraplanar threats become more common, and less likely to have to be summoned first. Players may meet dragons, invading warlords (and their armies), elemental or demonic creatures, colossal magical beasts.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Characters gain powers from a 'paragon class' - a development of the 'prestige class' idea from D&D 3e. The paragon class gives tightly-focused powers related to a specific concept of how to play the character's main class. (For example: A druid who specialises in driving animals berserk. A warlock who steals life from opponents. A barbarian who becomes more and more like a bear.)</li> </ul></li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">Epic tier: Levels 21-30<ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Characters can accomplish awesome and impossible things with skills alone, before they even bother to use their class powers. Which are increasingly powerful.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Adventures are routinely extra-planar - if the characters even make their homes on their original world any more - and threats are ancient dragons, powerful planar entities, titans, or the like. Entire worlds or areas of existence may be at stake.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Each character progresses towards an 'epic destiny' - chosen by the player at L21. They gradually gain extra powers appropriate to this destined ending. (For example: becoming a god, or a transcendent energy-entity, or a heroic legend, or an immortal traveller.) Doing the impossible with skills alone were on the list.</li> </ul></li> </ol></blockquote>

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