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4E Consequences: Being passive, cautious, or a loner is now unoptimized
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<blockquote data-quote="jeffh" data-source="post: 4685984" data-attributes="member: 2642"><p>It's not badwrongfun if everyone at the table is enjoying it, but I take the people who have said things like that to be making the observation that, far too often, that style is <em>very </em>bad for the enjoyment of part - often a majority - of a given group. This has, as a matter of empirically observable fact, certainly been true at my tables. Spotlight-hogging powergamers often make everyone else feel like they might as well not have bothered to show up, and that's a horrible feeling and defeats the whole purpose of an activity that's supposed to be about shared enjoyment. Too often, the people who are drawn to such characters are either unaware of or actively insensitve about this.</p><p></p><p>If it's different at your table, or thecasualoblivions, or someone elses, more power to you. It's certainly conceptually possible for such a style to work out well in something other than a one-on-one game. But I submit that it's probably rather rare.</p><p></p><p>(Having read the OPs description of the player in question, I have to say my sympathies are not with that individual. The key sentence - "I'm not sure he even pays attention to what the others are doing when we play." It's my <em>opinion </em>that such individuals are, all else being equal, not nearly as much fun to play with as people who <em>do</em> pay attention to what's going on. It's a <em>fact</em> that 4E is a very poor choice of system if, for whatever reason, you <em>do</em> wish to accommodate such players.)</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="jeffh, post: 4685984, member: 2642"] It's not badwrongfun if everyone at the table is enjoying it, but I take the people who have said things like that to be making the observation that, far too often, that style is [I]very [/I]bad for the enjoyment of part - often a majority - of a given group. This has, as a matter of empirically observable fact, certainly been true at my tables. Spotlight-hogging powergamers often make everyone else feel like they might as well not have bothered to show up, and that's a horrible feeling and defeats the whole purpose of an activity that's supposed to be about shared enjoyment. Too often, the people who are drawn to such characters are either unaware of or actively insensitve about this. If it's different at your table, or thecasualoblivions, or someone elses, more power to you. It's certainly conceptually possible for such a style to work out well in something other than a one-on-one game. But I submit that it's probably rather rare. (Having read the OPs description of the player in question, I have to say my sympathies are not with that individual. The key sentence - "I'm not sure he even pays attention to what the others are doing when we play." It's my [I]opinion [/I]that such individuals are, all else being equal, not nearly as much fun to play with as people who [I]do[/I] pay attention to what's going on. It's a [I]fact[/I] that 4E is a very poor choice of system if, for whatever reason, you [I]do[/I] wish to accommodate such players.) [/QUOTE]
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