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<blockquote data-quote="Neonchameleon" data-source="post: 5479512" data-attributes="member: 87792">And here I disagree.&nbsp; There are some people who just want to be able to say &quot;I hit it&quot;.&nbsp; The focus in Essentials of everything a Martial character does being some form of basic attack really simplifies matters.&nbsp; And the Essentials characters don't track who's marked/cursed/quarried/etc as class features.&nbsp;Errata.&nbsp;&nbsp;But either paperback is cheaper than the hardback.&nbsp; Monster Vault vs MM1 at low levels is no contest at all (and at high levels MM1 monsters simply don't cut it so although MV has fewer epic monsters it really isn't missing much - and has no Dracoliches, Purple Worms, Needlefang Drake Swarms, or Wraiths*).And as for five classes vs eight, cancel the Warlock - that thing is not for newbies.&nbsp; The wizard in the PHB has some serious problems - not so in Essentials.&nbsp; And I'm not sure that the pre Divine Power Paladin works well enough either.&nbsp; Plus the Heroes books don't read like computer instruction manuals.&nbsp;* Yes, I know it does have monsters by at least three of thoe names.&nbsp; But the MM1 version of each of those monsters is simply annoying and no fun at all - the MV monsters by the same name lack these problems.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Neonchameleon, post: 5479512, member: 87792"] And here I disagree. There are some people who just want to be able to say "I hit it". The focus in Essentials of everything a Martial character does being some form of basic attack really simplifies matters. And the Essentials characters don't track who's marked/cursed/quarried/etc as class features. Errata. But either paperback is cheaper than the hardback. Monster Vault vs MM1 at low levels is no contest at all (and at high levels MM1 monsters simply don't cut it so although MV has fewer epic monsters it really isn't missing much - and has no Dracoliches, Purple Worms, Needlefang Drake Swarms, or Wraiths*). And as for five classes vs eight, cancel the Warlock - that thing is [I]not[/I] for newbies. The wizard in the PHB has some serious problems - not so in Essentials. And I'm not sure that the pre Divine Power Paladin works well enough either. Plus the Heroes books don't read like computer instruction manuals. * Yes, I know it does have monsters by at least three of thoe names. But the MM1 version of each of those monsters is simply annoying and no fun at all - the MV monsters by the same name lack these problems. [/QUOTE]

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