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<blockquote data-quote="S'mon" data-source="post: 5482980" data-attributes="member: 463">Yeah well, I still have nightmares about the first time I played a 4e PC, Rothgar the Fighter (Tom was GMing, at the Meetup).&nbsp; I'd done my best to make a big tough axe fighter, and I looked for suitable feats.&quot;Now, what does every Fighter need... why, of course: Power Attack!&quot;&nbsp; <img src="http://www.enworld.org/forum/images/smilies/blush.png"&nbsp; class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":blush:" title="Blush&nbsp; &nbsp; :blush:" data-shortname=":blush:" />Which in 4e is, of course, a complete waste of a feat.Despite that and several other errors in useless powers &amp; sub-optimal gear (eg battleaxe not war axe - not sure I even had AV), I just about pulled my weight thanks to (a) having read enough to max out STR and not create the kind of more balanced stat array that might have been a better idea in 3e and (b) going for max damage on my encounter &amp; daily powers.&nbsp; So with the high STR I could hit a fair bit, and thus control the battlefield somewhat, and I could hit hard using human Action Surge + an encounter or daily.&nbsp; But it was a close thing and with a couple more mistakes I could easily have embarrassed myself.&nbsp; And that was with the (free version of the) downloadable character builder to help me.By my standards, taking a couple hours to read HotFL (don't forget reading time!) and put together an effective Essentials PC, was really quite good.&nbsp;&nbsp; Meanwhile of course the complete newbie 4e players trying to make 4e PCs for Mark's gamr using only the PHB were really struggling - and they're both smart people.&nbsp; I think it's a real shame that WotC have apparently screwed up the marketing again, so that new would-be D&amp;Ders are still going for the 4e PHB and are apparently unaware of the much easier (and IMO better) Essentials books.&nbsp;&nbsp; I guess WotC can't say &quot;The PHB is obsolete&quot; - they probably still have a big stack they hope to sell - but, frankly...</blockquote>

[QUOTE="S'mon, post: 5482980, member: 463"] Yeah well, I still have nightmares about the first time I played a 4e PC, Rothgar the Fighter (Tom was GMing, at the Meetup). I'd done my best to make a big tough axe fighter, and I looked for suitable feats. "Now, what does every Fighter need... why, of course: Power Attack!" :blush: Which in 4e is, of course, a complete waste of a feat. Despite that and several other errors in useless powers & sub-optimal gear (eg battleaxe not war axe - not sure I even had AV), I just about pulled my weight thanks to (a) having read enough to max out STR and not create the kind of more balanced stat array that might have been a better idea in 3e and (b) going for max damage on my encounter & daily powers. So with the high STR I could hit a fair bit, and thus control the battlefield somewhat, and I could hit hard using human Action Surge + an encounter or daily. But it was a close thing and with a couple more mistakes I could easily have embarrassed myself. And that was with the (free version of the) downloadable character builder to help me. By my standards, taking a couple hours to read HotFL (don't forget reading time!) and put together an effective Essentials PC, was really quite good. Meanwhile of course the complete newbie 4e players trying to make 4e PCs for Mark's gamr using only the PHB were really struggling - and they're both smart people. I think it's a real shame that WotC have apparently screwed up the marketing again, so that new would-be D&Ders are still going for the 4e PHB and are apparently unaware of the much easier (and IMO better) Essentials books. I guess WotC can't say "The PHB is obsolete" - they probably still have a big stack they hope to sell - but, frankly... [/QUOTE]

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